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Post by gloryhound on Mar 10, 2014 19:27:26 GMT -5
Pick any successful mage out there. I'm not talking about a mage who's branched out and all that stuff. I'm talking about those who have "really" got around. I assure you, in 50% of all the conflicts these mages get into, needing to cast spells for them to win, is not a necessity. As a Delf hunting a Rukkian, I breath a sigh of relief when I realize that Rukkian's actually relying on sleep/earthquake to win his fights. But when he's just etwoes a maul and looks at me with a smirk, I start to worry. Now. Imagine being able to be almost anywhere, pop put completely undetected. In key moments. In key spots. Ethereal allows you to be literally plot changing, surgically speaking. But yeah. It's not demonfire. Cast it and the guy goes down. But if you need to kill a templar and survive. Demonfire wont help you with that. You must be a genius if you can time the moment ethereal fades to coincide with the templar's moment of isolation and vulnerability. Especially since you're not going to be getting into the templar's quarter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:05:53 GMT -5
Pick any successful mage out there. I'm not talking about a mage who's branched out and all that stuff. I'm talking about those who have "really" got around. I assure you, in 50% of all the conflicts these mages get into, needing to cast spells for them to win, is not a necessity. As a Delf hunting a Rukkian, I breath a sigh of relief when I realize that Rukkian's actually relying on sleep/earthquake to win his fights. But when he's just etwoes a maul and looks at me with a smirk, I start to worry. Now. Imagine being able to be almost anywhere, pop put completely undetected. In key moments. In key spots. Ethereal allows you to be literally plot changing, surgically speaking. But yeah. It's not demonfire. Cast it and the guy goes down. But if you need to kill a templar and survive. Demonfire wont help you with that. You must be a genius if you can time the moment ethereal fades to coincide with the templar's moment of isolation and vulnerability. Especially since you're not going to be getting into the templar's quarter. You know who does have that access tho? Other templars. Who can possibly be played off each other. Who might want to know about private meetings a noble or templar might have? Probably other nobles and templars, who can be used as surely as they use you, if you play your cards right. You know you could also be useful to spy on Tulukis in private places for nobles and templars as well, also gaining you influence and power. Not to mention how useful that could be for literally any backroom meeting involving a northern noble or templar during wartime, right? Sorry if I sound like I'm getting riled, I love the shit out of some magick RP and can go on at length about the possibilities for pretty much every magick guild but Nilazi. I played one of them once, and they just weren't my cup of tea.
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Post by gloryhound on Mar 10, 2014 20:38:21 GMT -5
^^^
Ok but that doesn't sound like "very easily" to me. It sounds like a lot of preparation, plotting and timing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:48:05 GMT -5
Preparation and plotting is a portion of the whole point of the game. I agree that sometimes timing just doesn't work out. So you plot and prepare for things that have a window of time to work in and not rely exclusively on precision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 20:49:48 GMT -5
Also, a smart drovian would begin things by ingratiating themselves to the entrenched powers that be, in my opinion. Because eventually you can use that to major advantage after having built rapport with them. Frankly, I would hope that that wouldn't count as part of getting someone killed, because if you are doing it only to get someone killed, there's a good chance it'll backfire.
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Post by gloryhound on Mar 10, 2014 21:03:02 GMT -5
I've got nothing against preparation and plotting. It's just that armqwertytwo said "Potentially a drovian can kill off nobility and templars very easily".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:09:24 GMT -5
You can, if you have the right legwork in place, and very easily.
I guess if you're not the type to do that to the nobility and templarate, it would not be 'very easy'. It is in my own experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:39:30 GMT -5
I guess it depends on how one can understand the words "very easily" and how nitpicky one is. Here's the basic premise.
You're a Krathi. You've got a fuckload of kill spells. You've got spells that OHK a good majority of PCs. You've decided to kill a Templar. What's the name of that Templar who can summon? The one Hawk put a bounty on? Alright, Krathi. Go ahead, go kill him. Fact is, regardless of your one cast kill spells, the odds are ... you will not be able to kill him. Unless you're ready to suicide yourself.
But as someone with ethereal. If my character decides to kill a Templar, or some particular noble, or any other persona who sits in their compound/templarate quarter/estate and think themselves safe. They're not. They'll die and I will survive that kill. Barring very bad luck that is always a factor, or betrayal. The only thing that will stop this from happening is if mine and the target's time schedules dont sync up enough, or at all.
Partly why I significantly doubt that they will ever add ethereal into magickal subguilds. It's a powerful spell.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 10, 2014 21:48:25 GMT -5
huh... no wonder mundane spy jobs are nigh non-existent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:53:20 GMT -5
Maybe in the south. I highly doubt that drovians are doing all the spying in the north. Then, I imagine that's a whole lot harder amongst the star-bellied sneeches.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Mar 10, 2014 21:57:28 GMT -5
I highly doubt that drovians are doing all the spying in the north. orite because psions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 22:09:04 GMT -5
Except the nobility in the north doesn't have access to that, only the templarate, which they may not have going forward, and even the templars that do have that are not guaranteed to be willing to share the info they have. I'm a massive pessimist about a healthy number of things in Zalanthas. This is not one of them.
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Post by spitwad on Mar 10, 2014 22:17:22 GMT -5
prepare. know target location. ethereal wek lasts 10 minutes. come out one room away. cast gate. kill. ethereal loot. ethereal self.
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Post by yaznokumf on Mar 10, 2014 22:18:40 GMT -5
You put the ability to leave the ethereal state a will, its a kickass spell. Otherwise it's meh. Send Shadow is as far as I'm concerned one of the most powerful spells in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 22:24:56 GMT -5
You put the ability to leave the ethereal state a will, its a kickass spell. Otherwise it's meh. Send Shadow is as far as I'm concerned one of the most powerful spells in the game. I beg to differ, simply because magick in arm, the majority of spells, you cannot decide how long they last. The difference between a newbie magicker and a veteran magicker isn't the skill tree. It is knowing how to manipulate it. Often enough, that means knowing how long your spells last and playing to those strengths.
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