Lizzie
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Post by Lizzie on Mar 10, 2014 15:51:20 GMT -5
Wait, what? So, a city elf warrior with the thief subguild would have the potential for master sneak and hide in the desert AND the city? This is what I'm really interested in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 15:58:32 GMT -5
A d-elf would. C-elves don't get shit.
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Post by tektolnes on Mar 10, 2014 16:30:58 GMT -5
A d-elf would. C-elves don't get shit. Correct. I was referring to d-elves. And yes, a D-Elf sub thief gets city sneak. I've heard stories of Red Fang rangers shooting people off their stools in the Gaj using this trick. Little twinky IMO, but a valid strategy I guess. Also, I'm pretty sure D-elves can remain hidden while running from room to room, which is also pretty sweet.
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Post by sitbackandchillout on Mar 10, 2014 17:45:09 GMT -5
Wow, that's pretty intense, hidden running...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 17:52:43 GMT -5
I don't think that's for real. Never heard of it in 10+ years of playing Armageddon, but there is a bug that sometimes lets you stay hidden for an extra room when switching from sneak to walk (and probably to running, too) which might have led to the belief that elves can run hidden.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 18:13:06 GMT -5
One problem with the SLK is that there are no 'obvious' goals besides basic protection of the turf/improvement of the tribe. Of course, if a good player lands in SLK, things will happen. A lot of good shit will happen even. But to an average player, who maybe isnt too confident yet, or too new, or just not too imaginative, the SLK are reduced to xenophobia and protection of the turf.
I've watched Flint Sky during his flashpowder gathering to blow shit up plots and heard second hand during his sama's "fight" (extermination of noobs), of Red Fang. There's a difference. On one side, we've got some pretty cool plots. On another hand, we've got 3 arrows hitting a Red Fang who's been in the game for 3 hours.
But this is the case with all clans. It's simply the fact that SLK is locked in a single area with unchanging variables that make them complicated. Though honestly. Give SLK a Sama with a good Ranna, looots of fun to be had.
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Post by lulz on Mar 10, 2014 21:04:49 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the SLK are too xenophobic and a lot of their interaction with other players is PK. The docs make them highly reliant on martial skill for status. Merchant are second class. I also hate the limits on player numbers. Let as many people play as want to. It's not as if people are breaking down the door to play. The role is bad enough without further limiting interactions. As for these "legendary" characters who got shit done? The problem is would any player who did the same thing get the same results? I know when there is staffing changes, there is disparate results from the same actions. Was he good or did staff just like him? I was Flint Sky, and no, staff did not like me, sans Shalooonsh, perhaps? They just couldn't ignore the impact/stranglehold I had on the Pah at that time. And yes, I was a badass and would have continued to keep my heel on the throats of RF had I not been force stored/banned. Hot_Dancer was Masha/Kija. You fill in the rest.
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Post by lulz on Mar 10, 2014 21:05:54 GMT -5
I don't think that's for real. Never heard of it in 10+ years of playing Armageddon, but there is a bug that sometimes lets you stay hidden for an extra room when switching from sneak to walk (and probably to running, too) which might have led to the belief that elves can run hidden. It's real, read my post in another thread.
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Post by lulz on Mar 10, 2014 21:09:12 GMT -5
I've watched Flint Sky during his flashpowder gathering to blow shit up plots and heard second hand during his sama's "fight" (extermination of noobs), of Red Fang. There's a difference. On one side, we've got some pretty cool plots. On another hand, we've got 3 arrows hitting a Red Fang who's been in the game for 3 hours. FYI I didn't do that, it was Cut Rock, Flint Sky's partner in crime, though if I did, oh well. I tried not to kill too many Fangs/Dune Stalkers, and even tried to give them outs at times. Their stubbornness and refusal to "lose the game" is what got them an arrow to the neck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:26:33 GMT -5
That was my point, Lulz. A good players versus not.
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Post by lulz on Mar 10, 2014 22:03:55 GMT -5
Pof Cut Rock is/was a good player if you were implying s/he wasn't.
Care to expound?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 22:11:23 GMT -5
I think he means that your experience isn't necessarily common experience because not all players are on that certain level and especially not with such a niche role as desert elves. I could be wrong, though.
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Post by nyrsucks on Mar 11, 2014 9:35:59 GMT -5
I tend to agree that the SLK are too xenophobic and a lot of their interaction with other players is PK. The docs make them highly reliant on martial skill for status. Merchant are second class. I also hate the limits on player numbers. Let as many people play as want to. It's not as if people are breaking down the door to play. The role is bad enough without further limiting interactions. As for these "legendary" characters who got shit done? The problem is would any player who did the same thing get the same results? I know when there is staffing changes, there is disparate results from the same actions. Was he good or did staff just like him? I was Flint Sky, and no, staff did not like me, sans Shalooonsh, perhaps? They just couldn't ignore the impact/stranglehold I had on the Pah at that time. And yes, I was a badass and would have continued to keep my heel on the throats of RF had I not been force stored/banned. Hot_Dancer was Masha/Kija. You fill in the rest. I don't really equate player killing with deserving to get your plots done. You think you didn't have favor but I've seen plenty of people be ignored who were more dangerous than Flint Sky. What I'm asking is what did you do that other players didn't do? It's practically luck from my experience, If it makes IC sense has little to do with Staff support and plots.
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Post by lulz on Mar 11, 2014 21:24:48 GMT -5
What did Flint Sky do that other people haven't done?
Shot and killed a mage out of the air.
Shot a rider off his mount and dropped him dead with two arrows at the Allanaki gates in front of a squad of pc goons and a templar. I'll never forget the context of the message: so and so falls off his mount onto the ground and lies still, or something to that effect.
Ran INTO a wezer dome to save his running mate, Cut Rock. I took on wezer three or more at a time with the awareness Sky would likely not survive the scene. He did, without a scratch.
I ran and built up a Sama I called the Blood Feathers. We were boss. I wrote the double bladed, feather tassled spear you see in game now, along with one or two of the tattoos in camp now, if I'm not mistaken.
Those Sun Runners in SLK camp? Yeah, that's because of Sky.
I built the corral in BW practically single handedly after HD abandoned the plot and tribe like he was known to do in the past when busy or flatout bored. I don't think there were any veli at that time for him to take to the mats, unfortunately.
I masterminded a trade to receive infant babes from SR to bolster the numbers of SLK.
I oversaw strengthening ties between Kurac and SLK before Lusts for Blood fucked all that up. (she was and still is a great player IMO)
I shot an elkrosian dashing towards me deader than a doornail in the Pah. One of the craziest things Sky had the balls to do, minus leaping headlong into the wezer dome.
I once cleared out a pit of Bynners that had fallen into a chasm in the Pah. It was at least three to four pcs; I remember drinking the tears of a player I won't name as she complained over Aim about her beloved barefoot dwarf.
I was in the process of having a belt designed (before force stored) for Sky covered in the skulls of fallen foes. The eye sockets were filled with Sky's best kills, mage gems representing each element. Two eye sockets were reserved for diamonds to represent to two sorcerors I had killed.
I led the counter offensive against the Dune Stalkers and survived their attack on SLK camp in the middle of the night. The following morning, Sky and his sama gathered the corpses (literally too many to count) into a massive pile and burned it to ash. That story I wrote about this? It actually happened.
I aided Bil the Braxat in freeing the shattered wastelands of Dragonsthrall. The SR shortly returned to reclaim their old home.
I struggled for half a RL year (often times by myself) digging a seemingly endless tunnel under the spire in the Pah, spearheading efforts to bring down the tower of love and rid the Pah of magickal vermin, if at least for a time. The tower is now a pile of rubble.
I've lost count of the shit Sky did throughout the course of his life. I wouldn't call it solely luck, so much as a mixture of grit, brass balls and a willingness to ice a motherfucker for the slightest err. I suppose I'll counter with this: what the fuck have you done lately?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 21:46:53 GMT -5
Point/counterpoint, you're getting at what was pointed out.
You could have had staff tell you no on things that you'd already done the work on, that already made sense for the game world, and you were not.
You know I had someone tell me that getting their camp made a quit/save room wasn't favortism when I've seen other groups do the exact same thing 3, count it 3, times, without managing it. And with as much time and effort put in, at that.
You managed to get staff to let you change the world. That is more than most people manage. And it is not for lack of roleplay, lack of achievement or resources, or lack of trying. It's for a lack of staff denying it.
Counterpoint: How long ago was this? 2010, 2011? Before Lusts for Blood, so I'm going to go with... 2009-2011, am I right? And 2010 was the turning point after which most people who I have talked to on AIM's frustrations started. I know it's when mine did, but rightfully so, when I wanted to use my time and effort staffing helping someone who'd put hundreds of hours into roleplaying fixing up the Red Sun commons and was denied, but other people did little more than send in room descriptions and managed to change dozens of rooms because the admin approved it. They both had unlimited resources, governorship, slave labor crews, and the one who got denied is the one who made pc to pc deals involving mountains of coin for actual materials. Talk about disheartening.
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