jasred
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Post by jasred on Jan 16, 2013 20:00:45 GMT -5
I'm curious about leveling up spells. It seems that power level goes up without fails. Does this mean spamming a spell at the lowest level is the fasted way to increase the power level?
The main page isn't very clear on this.
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Post by succulentgroin on Jan 17, 2013 18:16:44 GMT -5
Spells increase even on a success. Id say mix it up with power levels. I would assume your gonna get the most exp. from a mon than a wek though.
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Post by dunebum on Feb 6, 2013 17:05:18 GMT -5
the best way to level up spells that I have found is to cast them at one power level higher than you are currently skilled at. so, wek skill level would mean use yuqa, yuqa level means kral, and so on.
for branching spells, you need to fail. a lot. and then some more. get yourself a drink, a smoke, whatever. you'll be casting for a long time. once you master a spell at mon skill level, you fail significantly less often. to counter this, you need to maximize how many times you can cast the spell, while minimizing the mana usage. I cast at kral level, using nil, when trying to branch.
best of luck to you. spell honing is one of the most difficult, time consuming, grinding things about armageddon.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 6, 2013 17:26:58 GMT -5
only use nil as a last resort; the skill up/branch code doesn't care if you've already got a buff counted on yourself iirc.
I've branched pretty quickly on my mages by just getting the skill to mon as fast as possible and then using sul to try to fail; each cast of sul being something like 25 mana so you should be able to get at least 4 casts in.
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Post by bmj2 on Feb 6, 2013 19:11:18 GMT -5
And remember to not keep trying once you've failed, you are just wasting time.
Branching is relatively quick with above average+ wisdom.
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Post by cruelcore on Apr 20, 2013 11:20:39 GMT -5
Does having your concentration broken count as a failure?
Edit: More for things like backstab or steal, when you try but get attacked before it goes through.
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Post by yoashi on Apr 20, 2013 12:53:16 GMT -5
Only when you get the "You lose your concentration" message, does it really count as a fail, in my experience.
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Post by jcarter on Apr 20, 2013 13:53:05 GMT -5
Losing your concentration is the actual fail.
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drunkendwarf
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Post by drunkendwarf on Sept 5, 2013 15:00:24 GMT -5
There's two things with spells: Your skill level and your power level.
Going up in power level is only done by casting spells at your current power level max - if known to kral, you're only going to reach een by casting at kral.
Branching requires bumping your skill level - this is done by losing concentration. From what I've observed, it doesn't matter at what level you know the spell or what level you're casting it at - you just have to lose concentration. So jcarter's suggestion is sound, but I take it a step further. If I'm looking to branch spells, I would get up to een or so and then spam it at wek until you get a lost concentration. Then move on to either bumping the power level, or trying for a lost concentration on another spell, as the fail timer has kicked in and another failed concentration isn't going to do shit for awhile.
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Post by spitwad on Sept 6, 2013 19:29:20 GMT -5
drunkendwarf is correct mostly. you can bump skill by casting and failing at or below the power level listed in your skills list and failing. you bump power level by casting at or above the power level listed in your skill list.
for the power level, most of your characters are going to have two chances to bump power level within a given time period. you may notice back to back power gains in a spell when casting them back to back. that is this in play. sometimes the two are in sync, sometimes they are not. you will then need to wait a period of time for each spell gain chance to time back in. it seems to scale by something, but is usually at least a couple of hours on the short end to several hours on the high end. with elven wisdom, it is possible to get three bumps to power level back to back, but you would probably need very high elven wisdom. this will cover 99% of cases, there are specific exceptions.
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Post by tarrag on Sept 21, 2013 8:52:34 GMT -5
I would argue that the nil reach is for practicing. I would not doubt it if you did not get a bonus to learning using it, other than the bonus of rping something a bit more believably.
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Post by lurker on Sept 21, 2013 16:17:12 GMT -5
Nil actually has a negative effect on learning. Because you don't make the effect real.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Sept 23, 2013 9:04:36 GMT -5
This is absolutely incorrect. Nil does NOT have a negative effect on learning. You can branch a spell by casting it with nothing but nil. It will just take you 10 times as long to branch the spell. All you need is to lose concentration. I have done it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 13:09:18 GMT -5
If it takes 10x longer, I believe that would be the penalty to gains that's being referred to in the quoted post...
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drunkendwarf
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Post by drunkendwarf on Sept 23, 2013 13:21:56 GMT -5
I may have misread that in that he was implying it actually made your skill level GO DOWN instead of up.
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