lurker
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Post by lurker on Sept 21, 2013 2:02:28 GMT -5
Everyone chime in! If you know a dirty little secret about Kadius, post them here. We should do this with all the clans.
Here's one. Kadius doesn't really have a library anymore. Aparently one of the old family members was so desperate to hide any association with magick there family might have had, he burned everything.
If anyone can tell me WTF freaked him out, POST IT PLEASE!
As per usual, you can message jcarter to post anything you feel may out you.
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tarrag
staff puppet account
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Post by tarrag on Sept 21, 2013 8:44:23 GMT -5
This particular thread seems dangerously close to ruining the game for the people who are in said clans. Don't ruin the game, make it better.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 9:18:37 GMT -5
Yeah. I probably wouldnt really post anything that's not at the very least 5 years old. As for the library, if it were my guess, it was part of the "going away from magick" initiative. Of which I kind of approve. No more Kadius sorcerer sponsored apps
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Hardboiled
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Eggs, their good for you.
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Post by Hardboiled on Sept 21, 2013 10:11:15 GMT -5
If you join the clan you can probably find out some things by browsing through the clan forums. I wouldn't mind seeing things as far back as two years old that are clan related and not so much player related. The library being a good example, that is probably not something we could find out about these days even if we were in the clan. Mostly because I feel that getting any information from the staff comes out vague at best. I'm a bit iffy about talking about current living characters and player's personal plots however but that's just me. A good example is if people began posting which living character was currently mud-fucking who and what not. That would get a little lame in my books. I think this place has been pretty good with being respectful to current players though. Otherwise I had no problems with knowing what was going to happen in the HRPT even. When you come to this forum, it really is readers beware, spoilers ahead. As for kadius, I got nothing on them...at all. With that in mind I wouldn't mind actually hearing some deeper plots involving them in the past to make me thing of them as something other then a nonrestrictive clan people can join that will allow them the protection of a clan while being free to go out and do as you please. Seriously for the most part I think of kadius as being independents with some benefits. And let me just add, that is actually something I really like about the clan so I'm not saying that negatively.
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lurker
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Post by lurker on Sept 21, 2013 15:45:27 GMT -5
Of course I'm not asking for things that are very current about clans. What I'm saying is old family secrets. Forbidden history, you might say. I think we should do it with all the clans. Shit that you can't post on the GDB due to the nazi's, but still wouldn't ruin the game. Things like "Back in the day Kadius used to secretly smuggle spice into allanak for kurac" or some shit.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
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"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Sept 21, 2013 16:43:45 GMT -5
To quote Mike Tyson.. "If you don't like it turn off your channel.."
Anyway in all seriousness, don't click on any thread that has (spoilers) in the title. I suggest re-titling this with such tag.
Also what the fuck are you doing on these forums if you have scruples about learning IC info?
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Sept 21, 2013 16:44:46 GMT -5
So I guess it's okay for the staff to know everything about the game but for players it "ruins" our experience? Sure if you're stupid enough to go IC and try to use it. There's a reason the staff can never find banned players if they are smart. You don't use IC info period and you come off as a noob.
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Post by picklehead on Sept 21, 2013 17:38:12 GMT -5
There's a pretty big difference, in my opinion, about learning about some of the nuances of the code or what skills branch from what, and information pertaining to current IC events and characters in the game. For me, the former doesn't ruin the experience at all, but information related to the latter could possibly ruin the game to a large extent. If I know everything about everyone the intrigue isn't going to be there anymore, whether I use that information or not. Example: Joe Bob the scoundrel is doing a terrific job selling me on some scam he's running. I found out here he's full of shit, and although I'll probably let him fuck me over, the experience for me as a player is going to be ruined, or tainted at the very least.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 21, 2013 17:49:03 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the issue. I'm going to leave censorship up to the userbase though because I'm not going to hem and haw over what's IC info and deal with hurt feelings or more moderation than needed. As a compromise, I'd like to see an attempt made at keeping things separate: don't mix threads with IC info (like this one) with code talk. You don't need to drop in the assassin skill list thread that the head of Kurac is secretly a psion, etc and threads like these aren't places to go posting code stuff. You don't want to read Kadius's secrets? That's fine, don't read the thread then. My only real opinion is that I personally would rather not see current characters being discussed because it's going to lead to a lot of gossip, drama, and slapfights.
There's no penalties for not following this and I think everyone is intelligent enough to figure out where the general vicinity of the line is and also understand there's plenty of grey areas/wiggle room.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Sept 21, 2013 17:57:46 GMT -5
There's a pretty big difference, in my opinion, about learning about some of the nuances of the code or what skills branch from what, and information pertaining to current IC events and characters in the game. For me, the former doesn't ruin the experience at all, but information related to the latter could possibly ruin the game to a large extent. If I know everything about everyone the intrigue isn't going to be there anymore, whether I use that information or not. Example: Joe Bob the scoundrel is doing a terrific job selling me on some scam he's running. I found out here he's full of shit, and although I'll probably let him fuck me over, the experience for me as a player is going to be ruined, or tainted at the very least. Kind of my point here. Don't want to know about it, don't read it. So if we can agree that it is harmful in knowing it how in the hell can anybody justify staff having avatars? They can login to their staff and see everything.
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Post by picklehead on Sept 21, 2013 18:07:39 GMT -5
You don't always know what's going to pop up in a thread around here. As for the staff and avatars, they're not playing for the same kind of enjoyment that players can have. For them, the mystery, and the resulting excitement of the unknown, doesn't exist for them.
Just editing to add: I think the idea of ensuring separation of code and IC discussions is a good idea going forward. Obviously I clicked on this thread with eyes wide open.
ANOTHER EDIT??!!?: And just to further clarify, I don't agree that it's harmful to the game to know IC things (as staff and their avatars do), if the person with said knowledge can act responsibly and not let it affect their gameplay (staff abusing their knowledge is a separate issue). I think the harm is that it has the potential to ruin the experience for the player.
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lurker
Clueless newb
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Post by lurker on Sept 22, 2013 3:03:39 GMT -5
Can we please stop the derail? Some of us want to know this stuff. Some people might want to share it. If you want to debate the morality of it, then make a thread about it.
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Hardboiled
Clueless newb
Eggs, their good for you.
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Post by Hardboiled on Sept 22, 2013 8:34:25 GMT -5
I can understand both sides of the issue. I'm going to leave censorship up to the userbase though because I'm not going to hem and haw over what's IC info and deal with hurt feelings or more moderation than needed. As a compromise, I'd like to see an attempt made at keeping things separate: don't mix threads with IC info (like this one) with code talk. You don't need to drop in the assassin skill list thread that the head of Kurac is secretly a psion, etc and threads like these aren't places to go posting code stuff. You don't want to read Kadius's secrets? That's fine, don't read the thread then. My only real opinion is that I personally would rather not see current characters being discussed because it's going to lead to a lot of gossip, drama, and slapfights. There's no penalties for not following this and I think everyone is intelligent enough to figure out where the general vicinity of the line is and also understand there's plenty of grey areas/wiggle room. I think Jcarter nailed how the forum has naturally evolved all by itself and this is how I would love to see it stay. Delerak's point of views are valid, however so is everyone else arguing against him. I think these debates will pop up many times during the lifespan of this forum, and I actual look forward to seeing what people think. In general though most people here have been very respectful about other players and current characters. People mostly only talk about themselves here, with the odd 'who's a badass now' thread possibly being the only exception. I would like to see Jcarter's quote possibly put somewhere in the announcement area, maybe under a thread called "FAQS about this forum". Since it is something that will pop up every once in a while. Sorry to derail lurker!!!
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Sept 22, 2013 8:56:25 GMT -5
Here you go. Kadius was the first merchant house technically since they were the first to open a market in any city.
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jjhardy
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by jjhardy on Sept 22, 2013 23:18:04 GMT -5
I say we make a spoilers discussion and say whatever the fuck we want there, you don't want spoilers, don't go there. Laissez les bon temps rouler
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