drunkendwarf
Displaced Tuluki
SUCK IT, NYR AND ADHIRA
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Post by drunkendwarf on Oct 25, 2013 17:49:25 GMT -5
Meh. Still no reason to give them a platform to screw people over here as well. Let em keep it to IM.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 18:48:07 GMT -5
Yeah.. hence the spoilers forum.
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Post by picklehead on Oct 25, 2013 19:34:52 GMT -5
Gah.. I apprently shouted instead of posting this. You rail against the IMMs for using OOC knowledge in their interactions with PCs. It's pretty hypocritical to post that same knowledge here, potentially spoiling other player's plotlines with OOC knowledge. Posting code intricacies is one thing, posting current IC events and spoiling info only certain PCs might know seems to go against all that this forum argues against.
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Hardboiled
Clueless newb
Eggs, their good for you.
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 25, 2013 20:05:11 GMT -5
Meh. Still no reason to give them a platform to screw people over here as well. Let em keep it to IM. No. I rather see it talked about. The agreement was these things would go into the spoilers forum but considering this is random thoughts and comments I still see nothing that makes me think 'oh now I know the whole story of what is going on now'. Anaiah was more then vague enough, since I am not in the know and still don't know what is going on or what/where then I think it is fine, especially given how much time has passed. Frankly in another two months Anaiah should go to the spoilers forum and tell it in utter detail but that is up to her. Don't begin forming IM cliques here please.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 20:07:49 GMT -5
Gah.. I apprently shouted instead of posting this. You rail against the IMMs for using OOC knowledge in their interactions with PCs. It's pretty hypocritical to post that same knowledge here, potentially spoiling other player's plotlines with OOC knowledge. Posting code intricacies is one thing, posting current IC events and spoiling info only certain PCs might know seems to go against all that this forum argues against. The problem is that the staff play while staffing. We players are at a severe disadvantage in that case. So guess what? We talk. We get on aim and talk and swap all the IC info we can to gain that edge back. This is human nature. Survival of the fittest. Users can't compete with admins but they sure can try and even the playing field by exploiting what they can when they can.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 20:09:02 GMT -5
The bigger problem is that staff punish players for this yet they are free to do as they please and know all the IC info they want while they are playing their avatars.
Hypocrisy.
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Patuk
Shartist
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Post by Patuk on Oct 25, 2013 20:15:22 GMT -5
Gah.. I apprently shouted instead of posting this. You rail against the IMMs for using OOC knowledge in their interactions with PCs. It's pretty hypocritical to post that same knowledge here, potentially spoiling other player's plotlines with OOC knowledge. Posting code intricacies is one thing, posting current IC events and spoiling info only certain PCs might know seems to go against all that this forum argues against. The problem is that the staff play while staffing. We players are at a severe disadvantage in that case. So guess what? We talk. We get on aim and talk and swap all the IC info we can to gain that edge back. This is human nature. Survival of the fittest. Users can't compete with admins but they sure can try and even the playing field by exploiting what they can when they can. Strange, I didn't know arm was an OOC life or death struggle as well, with trying to somehow 'defeat' staff avatars as a goal for players to accomplish, too. I don't think I'd even use staff tools to alter my playing experience if I were staff in the first place. It'd take a good deal of fun away from it all, I'm fairly sure.
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Post by picklehead on Oct 25, 2013 20:24:39 GMT -5
So because some staff might abuse, that justifies abuse on the part of the players? That makes no sense.
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Post by picklehead on Oct 25, 2013 20:26:27 GMT -5
Delerak, your survival of the fittest argument is basically making the case for staff avatars to do everything in their power to fuck over PCs if they want to.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 25, 2013 20:52:38 GMT -5
I think if there is a character out there known to be a staff avatar, or a character that's receiving special treatment from staff, or a character that will all-around ruin the game for anyone "not in the know" or "not special enough" we should know about it.
If there's another Qoriya out there, I wanna know. If for no other reason than, "I don't want my character to get needlessly killed for no real reason at all."
Same goes for any southern nooblars that look for an excuse to PK anyone and everyone that winds up getting arrested.
Stuff like this can go into the spoilers subsection.
If you don't like it, don't look.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 20:58:17 GMT -5
Delerak, your survival of the fittest argument is basically making the case for staff avatars to do everything in their power to fuck over PCs if they want to. It's not an argument, it's a psychological example of why players do what they do. It's the reason why players talk offline about the game. You ever been to an APM? People are going to talk no matter what. The APMs are a clusterfuck of IC info swapping. This is player to staff, player to player, etc. You can't just suffocate thousands of years of evolution because your game has a rule about sharing IC info. It's going to happen especially with new players. Many don't do it after they've learned the game is more fun without it but you are kind of forced to do it now that the GDB uses clan boards to swap IC info with their "rumor" threads.
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delerak
GDB Superstar
PK'ed by jcarter
"When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." - Otto Von Bismarck
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 20:59:34 GMT -5
Delerak, your survival of the fittest argument is basically making the case for staff avatars to do everything in their power to fuck over PCs if they want to. Go for it. The players will just come back with another character wanting to kill that staff avatar. It's a vicious cycle and until staff stop playing avatars it will continue. Suspend your staff account while playing the game, that's all I ask.
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Foyle
staff puppet account
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Post by Foyle on Oct 26, 2013 13:34:00 GMT -5
Delerak, your survival of the fittest argument is basically making the case for staff avatars to do everything in their power to fuck over PCs if they want to. Go for it. The players will just come back with another character wanting to kill that staff avatar. It's a vicious cycle and until staff stop playing avatars it will continue. Suspend your staff account while playing the game, that's all I ask. Isn't this assuming the worst about every staffer, though? I can understand your cynicism, considering your past experiences, but such a blanket statement seems paint a needlessly bleak picture of all the staffers. Or perhaps I'm misreading this and it's a simple case of "bad apple ruins the bunch"? Due to the unfortunate abuse of power, restrictions should be enforced to prevent further infractions? My point being as this board is a place for people who love the game and the stories there-in, excessive negativity doesn't give a new player (such as myself) much hope when joining the game for the first time. I do want to thank everyone for their enthusiasm for transparency! A better understanding of the underpinnings of the game allows for better thought out characters, in my opinion, and I don't particularly see the need for a "sink or swim" style of introduction to the game.
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Post by picklehead on Oct 26, 2013 19:17:28 GMT -5
Delerak, your survival of the fittest argument is basically making the case for staff avatars to do everything in their power to fuck over PCs if they want to. Go for it. The players will just come back with another character wanting to kill that staff avatar. It's a vicious cycle and until staff stop playing avatars it will continue. Suspend your staff account while playing the game, that's all I ask. This discussion isn't even really about the staff abusing players and players trying to fight back. It's about players using OOC info to abuse other players. Naming powerful PCs isn't doing avatars any favors, they already know who's powerful and not. Why would you promote that?
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tarrag
staff puppet account
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Post by tarrag on Oct 27, 2013 7:22:09 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest? One of the greatest parts of roleplaying a character is playing a character with a flaw. You seem to think that winning Armageddon has something to do with the longevity of your character or the amount of OOC knowledge you have gathered. Its about roleplaying a character. And why would you require the people who love roleplaying a character the most, be forced to no longer play? Just so they can do not fun stuff? You, sir, do not get it. At all. You do not get anything about Armageddon.
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