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Post by jcarter on Oct 24, 2013 14:01:39 GMT -5
By the way. The fact that staff still hasn't come here to address this dissatisfied part of the playerbase is further proof that they are afraid to even discuss anything with anyone in any forum that they do not have control of. What is truly sad is that I know for a fact that on Armageddons in-game immortal chat-channels this forum is talked about. I guarantee you that many of the threads on here are being hashed over, yet still no response to the allegations being made, nor have they ever so this is nothing new. You can quote me on this: Arm historically just ignores problems and tries to ban its way out of them. Basically the only way that dictators know how to deal with revolting populace. It's funny because Arm is ran in the US not by a third world country where dictatorships are so common. I leave you with a quote by Thomas Jefferson that really captures how I feel about Arms staff rigt now. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.As you said, staff are never going to enter into a discussion unless there's control of it, either through moderating or threatening your account. In the year or so I've had the site and wiki going there's never once been any contact with me. any acknowledgement of the site is either when players get e-mails telling them their karma has been docked and to stop posting here or that one time Euronymous namedropped us and sent a bunch of traffic our way. The whole absurdity of it blows my mind because it should be a friendly and open thing. It's a niche hobby entirely based around social interaction and having fun with other people but there's strict rules about what you can and can't talk about, there's no transparency in things, and people are actively sought out and punished for talking and posting with other players about "taboo" topics. The last part of it just gets me, because it's a volunteer game people do for fun. What does it say about the personality of a guy who's idea of a fun time is settling on the internet after work and cross-referencing offsite posters to accounts so he can sufficiently dock their karma for posting up the description of a gizhat? I know I harp on it, but I don't think people get how nuts that is and that people choose to do that sort of thing instead of say interacting with players or having some other form of fun.
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Post by slipshod on Oct 24, 2013 15:38:07 GMT -5
Can you give examples of staff interference and favoritism in the game that aren't a decade old? peoples can talk about older events without fear. talking of recent things will result in the banning and it is why site admin have a warning up for all to see. we are here for love of the game and fellow players, so it is understood many things can be talked OF but not ABOUT in specifics. i am hoping i have worded that in a way that is understood. it is like a police state in a place that should be free. nonsense because of irrational people obsessing with control.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 24, 2013 20:10:36 GMT -5
i sometimes think the only reason i play this game is to set my characters up for one liners
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Post by mekillot on Oct 25, 2013 9:39:41 GMT -5
How long will Nyr stay on staff? It's been eight or almost so far.
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 10:09:01 GMT -5
Nessalin has been on staff for like 18 years. He doesn't do much these days (I wouldn't be surprised if the guy has health issues), but still it doesn't matter. All we can do here is voice our complaints and concerns and get actual discussion going on the game we all love/hate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 14:22:49 GMT -5
Can you give examples of staff interference and favoritism in the game that aren't a decade old? Like recently, maybe? The past six months? The complaints I hear about staff are generally about immortals who aren't involved in the game anymore, with the exception of Nyr. This shit was rampant in the old days, but by your own admission, things aren't nearly as bad as they used to be. While the quality, intelligence, and talent of the playerbase has certainly declined, my interactions with staff, rare as they are, have always been pleasant. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've had some fantastic immortals over the years. Naox, Senga, Pre-admin Nyr, Cavaticus, Shalooonsh, Wug - all great immortals and genuinely decent people. The only immortal I ever crossed was Vanth. Firalis went out, invisible, with the help of the last whiran I played and began burning down the sorcerer's camp (those in the know, know the one I'm talking about) and destroying it, the tents, etc. Nyr froze him in the middle of him doing this... and then the sorcerer magickally logged in and attacked him and banished him. And he got reamed for not 'emoting enough' when he was junking items and ransacking the camp. Less than a year old.
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Post by slipshod on Oct 25, 2013 15:56:28 GMT -5
this is same sorcerer going by hasan ? or the other ((i do not know the name)) ?
i am liking to keep notes on continued abuses by staff for favor of these players in that grouping. there are many favors and staffs give this and another very special protections and castings//skills//benefits. there is no benefit to game and until this forum i do not believe players at large would be awares of them in existing. if all were knowing the game resources were invested in exclusion to tiny groups of special favorites, many would feel heavy anger.
special staff plots for this minor group benefit only minor group, yet very expansive and code intensive.
i am knowing of one char slain by staff direct with npc templar for making reports to south templar group about activities, treated to one line of effect ''should not meddle in affairs of great power'' before instant death without ability to return aggression.
how is tiny group of super villains so important ?
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Post by drunkendwarf on Oct 25, 2013 16:15:03 GMT -5
this is same sorcerer going by hasan ? or the other ((i do not know the name)) ? i am liking to keep notes on continued abuses by staff for favor of these players in that grouping. there are many favors and staffs give this and another very special protections and castings//skills//benefits. there is no benefit to game and until this forum i do not believe players at large would be awares of them in existing. if all were knowing the game resources were invested in exclusion to tiny groups of special favorites, many would feel heavy anger. special staff plots for this minor group benefit only minor group, yet very expansive and code intensive. i am knowing of one char slain by staff direct with npc templar for making reports to south templar group about activities, treated to one line of effect ''should not meddle in affairs of great power'' before instant death without ability to return aggression. how is tiny group of super villains so important ? I was part of that group with the character that was eventually force stored. I can tell you, if there was any preferential treatment going on, I didn't see any of it. And I was part of that group before the sorcerer even came along. Everything we did/they are doing was done from the group itself. It's amazing what can be accomplished by a group of high powered, rogue mages. Especially once you get a sorcerer on board. In my case I would argue the opposite, actually, as far as favoritism or preferential treatment. I've posted before on the matter - armageddonmud.boards.net/thread/128/hi-everybodyAnd dude..I do have to say, to call out an actual name of a high powered, active PC is kind of lame-o. Spoilers and whatnot are cool, but you're just spoiling that player's fun by doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 16:25:58 GMT -5
I'll agree with Drunkendwarf. Calling out a name of a PC that's active and playing is so seriously lame. What's next? We start coordinating attacks on someone? Very lame.
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Post by themountaingoat on Oct 25, 2013 16:40:23 GMT -5
Yep, pretty shitty.
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 17:31:50 GMT -5
Agreed. Don't do that unless it is in the spoilers forum.
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Post by drunkendwarf on Oct 25, 2013 17:38:10 GMT -5
Agreed. Don't do that unless it is in the spoilers forum. I'd even disagree with doing that in the spoilers forum. Posting secrets about a clan is one thing, but to be posting actual names of PCs is just something I think we can do without. While I may carry a massive grudge against some staff, there's absolutely no reason to be intentionally screwing over the people still playing the game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 17:38:32 GMT -5
I heard about that. The version I heard was that Firalis rolled out to a normally heavily populated camp at middday on a weekday when he knew nobody was gonna be on, an immortal responded to it (people were there, virtually), and it was pure dumb luck that the sorc popped on and lit his ass up. It was at night, right after he got the magick cast on him, and after he was killed in the arena, I got to hear about how he was frozen by staff -until- the sorcerer showed up. So... I don't know about pure dumb luck. The timing on that reminds me too much of Kiven/Kiv, which was Uruz's sorcerer, who would go and start shit at the gates, then log out right about the time a hunting party was rounded up to catch him (all while Uruz was logged in as staff, of course). I had it pointed out to me after, monitoring the sorcerer (Qoriya was hunting him) I made a comment about 'oh look, he went and logged out as soon as a hunting party got rounded up'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 17:41:29 GMT -5
Agreed. Don't do that unless it is in the spoilers forum. I'd even disagree with doing that in the spoilers forum. Posting secrets about a clan is one thing, but to be posting actual names of PCs is just something I think we can do without. While I may carry a massive grudge against some staff, there's absolutely no reason to be intentionally screwing over the people still playing the game. That's entirely true, and part of the reason why I have no intention of naming the sorcerer, or the camp, or the location of it. Firalis has been dead for something like 10 months if I recall correctly. While I could likely think of other instances if pressed to, that one was pointed out only because it's been very close to a year, and the details of it other than the specific part that staff was involved with that was very overt preferential treatment, were left out.
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Post by delerak on Oct 25, 2013 17:41:51 GMT -5
Agreed. Don't do that unless it is in the spoilers forum. I'd even disagree with doing that in the spoilers forum. Posting secrets about a clan is one thing, but to be posting actual names of PCs is just something I think we can do without. While I may carry a massive grudge against some staff, there's absolutely no reason to be intentionally screwing over the people still playing the game. If you think there aren't people out there that just want to see Arm burn you're mistaken. They will communicate via aim or IM anyway. May as well air the dirty laundry here as well if there is any.
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