delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 23, 2013 19:34:41 GMT -5
I guess it depends on the staffer. I've heard many stories of players being unable to do anything because of staff simply giving them a 'no' or animating the clan leader and doing the same.
Can anybody else chime in on this?
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Hardboiled
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 23, 2013 19:43:05 GMT -5
Anaiah and Delerak are unfortunately correct. Some leaders have a lot of very cool ideas. These ideas are are very doable, and easy to accomplish with minimal coding/changes but they just aren't allowed. Some places are worse then others right now since at times it seems staff has trouble telling the difference between their ass and their armpit.
Which reminds me of the whole help the players with their plots policy shift during arm2. Did anything ever get done during that period of time? Honestly it seems like another one of those lies allowing staff to get away with doing nothing while they waited for arm 2 to come out.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 23, 2013 19:45:51 GMT -5
Well don't get me wrong here I'm not talking about clan leaders wanting to like establish a huge base in the middle of no where next week. Of course that is a no. We are specifically talking about PCs getting together and going to do shit far away from their home. The militia NEVER leaves the Vrun. EVER. Which is fine I mean the army isn't going to just go like hey go ahead Sabers go roam around the north alone. In fact it's stupid. But the fact that no staffer is actually pushing the war with "units" of soldiers leaving the gates or marching on the north or whatever is just dumb. I wouldn't even call it a war. I'd call it a minor conflict that happened (albeit Tektolnes dropped a fucking volcano on them), and now its fizzled out and it's still a relatively peaceful time.
People should be dying left and right but nobody wants to risk it. But I don't blame them. Why should I risk my PC if the staff isn't even going to try and give me some virtual help here?
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Oct 23, 2013 19:52:04 GMT -5
Pooling for a dwarven dream-team with foci to see Tuluk reduced to ash.
Who's down?
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 23, 2013 19:53:47 GMT -5
*quietly raises his hand*
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Hardboiled
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 23, 2013 19:55:48 GMT -5
There are a lot of cool ideas floating around that don't involve massive pking, coding changes or making life miserable for others. A lot of cool ideas. Some people just don't get any attention though.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 23, 2013 20:20:44 GMT -5
There are a lot of cool ideas floating around that don't involve massive pking, coding changes or making life miserable for others. A lot of cool ideas. Some people just don't get any attention though. In my mind Fale is always the textbook example I look at for HRPTs/clans that don't involve code. Here's a noble house that's perfect for a RPI game: they're the socialites, the guys who throw big parties, the PR kings. Just have RP events. You ask them to throw a big party in celebration of you to get people on your side, or to not invite whoever to their party as a snub, whatever, etc. But the pbase just dropped the bomb on it with whacky zany omg i'm soooooo crazy characters.
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Post by lulz on Oct 23, 2013 20:20:46 GMT -5
Players are extremely restricted. Hell, my Jihaen was force stored for trying to arrest a known noble sorceror. It's not my fault he was a dumbass, yet I had staff echo the entire division of bowmen drawing on my character.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 0:32:59 GMT -5
What the above poster said. I've done some pretty crazy stuff at my time and never have I ever actually had an Imm tell me that I must not do this. Sometimes they tell me it's unlikely to happen. Sometimes they warn that my superiors do not appear to be very encouraging of that idea and perhaps with my actions, I might compromise whatever is it that the superiors are doing themselves, but they always allow me to choose whether to go ahead with it, or not. I 'have' a few times, caused my own NPC superiors to off my characters because my character's personalities and principles caused him to do things that 'in the big picture' was pretty damaging to my clan's well being. But never have I had my karma removed for any of that.
There are sometimes problems with how Imms do things. But blind hatred and assumption of the worst, is simply useless.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 24, 2013 6:42:00 GMT -5
I don't think it is blind hatred. It is how we've experienced Arm thru the staff thus far. If you've never had any issues that is awesome. Congratulations.
I think the majority of clan leaders, templars, and PCs just trying to enact change or do something have been screwed over by the staff. This isn't even really a debate here most people agree that the red tape is ridiculous. Trying to do anything is impossible unless you are a staff favorite and have the backing of one of the higher ranked staff that want to give you shit. IE: Look at Pearl. She got her own clan, her own compound, a ton of special items on all a first PC that was being coddled by staff and she was resurrected multiple times all because she was liked by one of the staff that could do whatever she wants, Sanvean.
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Post by themountaingoat on Oct 24, 2013 8:00:03 GMT -5
Can you give examples of staff interference and favoritism in the game that aren't a decade old? Like recently, maybe? The past six months? The complaints I hear about staff are generally about immortals who aren't involved in the game anymore, with the exception of Nyr.
This shit was rampant in the old days, but by your own admission, things aren't nearly as bad as they used to be.
While the quality, intelligence, and talent of the playerbase has certainly declined, my interactions with staff, rare as they are, have always been pleasant. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've had some fantastic immortals over the years. Naox, Senga, Pre-admin Nyr, Cavaticus, Shalooonsh, Wug - all great immortals and genuinely decent people. The only immortal I ever crossed was Vanth.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 24, 2013 8:17:38 GMT -5
Well I can only speak of the times I have played. But really this forum seems to have plenty of examples of staff doing crazy shit even recently during the HRPT. Or else it wouldn't be so damn active with players sharing their stories.
Take lulz example where he was participating in the RPT with his elf and was teleported by Adhira to a fall room where he fell to his death. Really? I don't care what he was doing (first of all if you're going to slay someone teleport them to an OOC room and do it), if the players can't take him out there is no need for a staffer to do something like this. It's unncessary and lulz knew he was going to die in the HRPT anyway. To me it's not about losing the character or dying and not coming back it's about HOW I die. If a staffer is involved in the death of any PC it is suspect. It happens yes (staffers being involved in deaths) but this is just old school Arm abuse right here.
You know I'll be optimistic here and say that I am fairly certain that it probably has gotten a LOT better. But we only know so much. There could be any number of abuses going on by staff and nobody knows because of the lack of transparency. All we can go off is what people decide to share when they come post here. I truly feel sorry for a lot of players (new and old alike) who are still playing with this idea that the staff are this great group of volunteers.
The whole damn thing just reeks of cronyism. Take a look at how some of the older players are revered on the GDB, same goes for staff. The moment constructive criticism is dismissed, censored, and open dialogue removed you've already shown the abuse publicly by doing the aforementioned.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 24, 2013 8:30:30 GMT -5
By the way. The fact that staff still hasn't come here to address this dissatisfied part of the playerbase is further proof that they are afraid to even discuss anything with anyone in any forum that they do not have control of. What is truly sad is that I know for a fact that on Armageddons in-game immortal chat-channels this forum is talked about. I guarantee you that many of the threads on here are being hashed over, yet still no response to the allegations being made, nor have they ever so this is nothing new.
You can quote me on this: Arm historically just ignores problems and tries to ban its way out of them. Basically the only way that dictators know how to deal with revolting populace. It's funny because Arm is ran in the US not by a third world country where dictatorships are so common.
I leave you with a quote by Thomas Jefferson that really captures how I feel about Arms staff rigt now. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 24, 2013 9:07:42 GMT -5
Wasn't Qoriya resurrected in the last HRPT too?
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Post by CRabbit on Oct 24, 2013 10:08:21 GMT -5
Ive done things in-game that greatly upset the staff and I had to explain myself for. Weeks later my friend with maxed karma does the same thing and noone bats an eye. Favoritism. Just one recent example, recent being under 6 months ago.
I don't hate the staff but I've noticed things that make me question their methods. At the same time they've been really nice to me I've also gotten some really rude responses. Don't know what to think, tis just the way they be I guess.
Edit: I may have also been the one to instigate those rude responses.
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