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Post by firekank on Mar 15, 2014 6:52:17 GMT -5
Not much to defend there. Some funny stuff. Looks like we're missing some though I had another account somewhere he must not have posted. Yeah I was certainly a problem player. Because I liked to think for myself and I didn't tolerate staffs intimidation, corruption, and insults. If nessalin told me to shut the fuck up and I would give it right back to him and be banned. I had nothing better to do I was a teen with plenty of time on my hands and I used all that time just dodging bans and coming back on different accounts. If you really want to make their life a living hell it's not hard. Staff at games need to admit that they have no control over a players actions. They can't 'ban' me and that has always been my mentality in life. You can certainly try but how much time are you wasting trying to track me down? I made my point over at Shadows of Isildur pretty well and flooded their game with accounts on the forums and in the game when they banned me. I'm not sure what ended up happening over there as I got bored and left but I know several of the staffers quit and I made a few look like fools because they couldn't stop me but they tried so hard. It's kind of sad really it's like a dictator or fascist regime trying to cling to order and power and there is this one person proving them wrong You fully admit to being a griefing jackass... that's pretty honest & gracious I guess Srsly tho, you're just on the opposite end of the annoying RPI player spectrum. On the other end are the people who cry about MAH IMMERSIONS whenever anything they can't immediately comprehend happens to their character. On your end are the people who think the rules don't apply to them because authority is so intimidating and mean and... fascist? LOL, please - Nyr & Kite may be shitheads but they are not even close to that level. You can't accept that every dungeon needs DMs? Would you tell a tabletop DM to stfu when he complains that you can't just go around killing the other players for no reason? You say you were a teen who had nothing else to do, but it really sounds like you haven't grown up yet with the petty bullshit you admit to doing. In that sense you're no different then the assholes on the GDB. So congrats, you jagoff
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Post by delerak on Mar 15, 2014 9:17:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't go around killing players for no reason. Lets get something straight here. I don't normally get banned from games because of my actions in game. In fact I am willing to wager that 90% of my bans come from my personality on forums and how I interact with staff in general. They feel disrespected somehow and then ban me. When I was at Arm my final ban came because of a thread over at the Wizards of the Coast Darksun forums. Sanvean saw it, banned me instantly, no discussion, and certainly no explanation other than "You are no longer welcome here. Do not ever come back." So guess what? I came back and threw it in her face because that's what kind of person I am. I don't give a fuck what you think about me but if someone tells me I can't do something that makes me want to do it. On to SOI. Same situation with them. I posted criticism on their forums about staff and players and eventually it got me banned from the game. The entire debacle at SOI was kind of ridiculous to me and I don't even know in the end why I was banned. I had a character at one point that was involved in a ton of plots and roleplay that was instantly gibbed when they found it and banned me, that fizzled a lot of stuff out. So what that tells me is that staff at SOI were more interested in destroying me and my presence in the game then allowing roleplay to flourish. I wish Japh/Case/Kite could clarify from the staff side of things but I doubt they will. As the dirty laundry at SOI was aired a few years ago when Atonement split off and Kite was shown to be your typical mud dictator that did whatever he wanted in his little play world while completely disregarding the players and their complaints. I won't respond to your ad hominem but I will point out that insulting me only further degrades your argument about me personally. I don't care about you but I care about these forums and the community of people who have been fucked over wherever they come from.
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Post by tektolnes on Mar 15, 2014 12:33:42 GMT -5
"You been married nine times, hell, maybe it's you?" ~Tim Wilson
Someone on another thread had a very eloquently written post about how they would watch and silently cheer as you stood up to the imms on their bullshit from time to time, but then sigh as your follow up act was essentially to spread grief. On one hand I think many of us have seen or experienced enough in our time to admire some part of your indomitable spirit, but when your response is something like "I made my point over at Shadows of Isildur pretty well and flooded their game with accounts on the forums and in the game when they banned me" well, its hard to keep a picture of you as this righteous fighter, and not a griefer.
It's kind of like that scene at the end of The Dark Knight, where Gordon's giving his speech about how "He's the hero Gothem deserves, but not the one it needs. So we'll hunt him, because he can take it", only instead of fleeing silently into the shadows to continue waging his war from the moral high ground, Batman farts on the gaggle of pursuing officers, yells "safety", and runs off on the Batcycle.
Edited to add the Point: I guess my point is that you're you, and you have the right to be you, and it's unfair for us to assume anything of you. However, in most cases, however righteous your original intent, your responses to getting slapped never seem to be in the vain of making these games a better place. And that really subtracts from the credence of what (I hope) your original purpose might have been - to show the imms what they're doing wrong.
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Post by firekank on Mar 15, 2014 17:24:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't go around killing players for no reason. Lets get something straight here. I don't normally get banned from games because of my actions in game. In fact I am willing to wager that 90% of my bans come from my personality on forums and how I interact with staff in general. They feel disrespected somehow and then ban me. When I was at Arm my final ban came because of a thread over at the Wizards of the Coast Darksun forums. Sanvean saw it, banned me instantly, no discussion, and certainly no explanation other than "You are no longer welcome here. Do not ever come back." So guess what? I came back and threw it in her face because that's what kind of person I am. I don't give a fuck what you think about me but if someone tells me I can't do something that makes me want to do it. On to SOI. Same situation with them. I posted criticism on their forums about staff and players and eventually it got me banned from the game. The entire debacle at SOI was kind of ridiculous to me and I don't even know in the end why I was banned. I had a character at one point that was involved in a ton of plots and roleplay that was instantly gibbed when they found it and banned me, that fizzled a lot of stuff out. So what that tells me is that staff at SOI were more interested in destroying me and my presence in the game then allowing roleplay to flourish. I wish Japh/Case/Kite could clarify from the staff side of things but I doubt they will. As the dirty laundry at SOI was aired a few years ago when Atonement split off and Kite was shown to be your typical mud dictator that did whatever he wanted in his little play world while completely disregarding the players and their complaints. I won't respond to your ad hominem but I will point out that insulting me only further degrades your argument about me personally. I don't care about you but I care about these forums and the community of people who have been fucked over wherever they come from. I like how you don't mention what the thread on WotC was about... You make yourself seem like the victim, but if you go back far enough between something you did, and a staff reaction, you eventually arrive at the beginning: one of the shitty things you did IG to get a negative account note. I have no doubt that many people here on this forum were genuinely fucked over (personally I wasnt fucked over by staff, I just got tired of other players) but please don't pretend you're one of them. You dug your own grave, bro.
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Post by delerak on Mar 16, 2014 17:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by delerak on Mar 16, 2014 17:13:49 GMT -5
It's a roleplaying MUD that separates IC/OOC boundaries. Yes I did shitty things and it was IN CHARACTER for those things to occur. The fuck are you even talking about at this point?
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Post by delerak on Mar 16, 2014 17:16:37 GMT -5
If your next argument is that I've done silly things in game (subduing a kank and throwing it in the rinth and riding it around), yes I have done silly things like all new players do. If Arm banned every person who had a rough start at the MUD they wouldn't have any veteran players left. Most of their veteran players have left however due to the amount of grudges that they hold over the years.
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Post by delerak on Mar 16, 2014 17:21:37 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to spread grief to anybody but those that started the war in the first place. The imms would try to ban me.
I guess it was more of a revenge thing then anything else. It was fun though and I do enjoy breaking people down.
It's not like I'm the first one to do it either, there were a group of israeli players if I remember correctly that got a copy of the Arm code from '99 and they also eventually got into the staff forums on the gdb. I expect no less from wronged players and I think that's a proper response to the way staff treats its playerbase.
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