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Post by wagonwheel on Sept 2, 2022 9:13:23 GMT -5
It comes down to the fact that there's no real story in the game. If Armageddon were a book or a movie, it would be the most boring one ever made. As such, any role that requires more substance than "I'm a hunter/crafter/warrior so I hunt/craft/spar" just falls flat. Mafia, noble, templar, really anything that depends on non-routine gameplay just ceases to function when routine gameplay is all there is. When you play such a character, there's nothing to sink your teeth into except whatever crap you can fashion out of thin air, and that's not likely to be very meaningful. It'll be mindless murder plots or "who can I fuck with today, just to feel like my PC has a reason to exist?" Let's take the subject of this thread. It's possibly one of the more impactful things that happened on Armageddon in the last year or so, but if we get right down to it, it was really just a few people opening a fucking bar. I'm sure it was entertaining to be part of, and some outsiders probably got a bit of interesting interaction out of working with/against the Consortium crew... but at the end of the day, it's just not the kind of thing that should be allowed to become the biggest thing that a player has ever taken part in. And as a result of the fact that that's what the game is reduced to, it becomes almost impossible to make any lasting change because anything you do that is remotely out of the ordinary will attract so much attention that it can't last. Open a bar (or anything else that gets any attention) and it's virtually guaranteed that you'll end up killed either by templars, nobles or the Guild because they're all desperate for a way into anything they can find. Sooner or later, you'll have done something that one or more of them can willfully interpret as a reason to kill you, and then they will. There's nothing else for them to do because the game is tragically boring. I think you just nailed it. To me, this is the deepest post on the thread. I'll add only one thing, that the English lexicon contains a word to describe the sort of people that torch bars out of boredom. Book burner. |
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Post by lechuck on Sept 2, 2022 19:25:33 GMT -5
It's your choice to not post on Reddit and I'm not going to take your story and run with it. I don't think that r/mud is so much fatigued by Armageddon as they are hoping that it will go away before it drives away all of the people that want to RP in MUDs. Like I said before, Armageddon is not an exceptional game, and there is higher quality roleplay and more supportive staff to be found elsewhere. I don't think it would get much of a response there. It wouldn't mean anything to people who don't play the game. It's the kind of thing that only makes sense when you have context. People who don't play Arm would look at this story and shrug, not knowing what any of it means. |
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 2, 2022 19:58:45 GMT -5
I would guess a lot more Armers read r/mud nowadays than this board and would find the post informative. But like I said, I'm not going to press the issue.
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Post by wagonwheel on Sept 5, 2022 9:46:08 GMT -5
From what I was told, Midori was offered to only have a hand cut off and told the Templar just to kill her instead. So, she did. The rest of your post is pretty par for the course. Honestly, I have to assume Akeem was staff, given all that he was able to accomplish. And then when he left, it all went to shit because y'all weren't staff. All of the huge plots have been staff driven and staff PC spearheaded. It is what it is: it's their sandbox, we are just sort of allowed to play in it. I enjoyed WW a ton. Sorry that things didn't work out. They didn't for me either. And now that you've posted this, they'll never forgive you and will hold this over your head for eternity. So, I hope you weren't thinking of going back to play ever. Lose a hand or lose your life? Not much of a choice. Thank you for the information, it does help to provide closure. |
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Post by Azerbanjani on Sept 7, 2022 17:14:31 GMT -5
"Lose a hand or lose your life? Not much of a choice."
I'd easily pick a hand over my life.
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Post by ocotilloskewers on Sept 16, 2022 15:14:41 GMT -5
Out of everything that's happened on Arm, all the staff shittery and the staff fuckery, I think the fall of the Consortium of Wonder was for once not entirely the fault of staff. Crazy, I know, I'm probably Shabago or something.
Akeem was not played by a staffer and infact got PKed because of Guild PCs and the upwards of 100k+ of coins he was loaned and never paid back, Midori died because she didn't want to have a finger cut off (not joking, it wasn't even a hand. They had to handwave it as an infection that took her), and the bar itself was burnt down because of some really unhinged player plot that fell flat in the end. You could've seen proof of this in Red Storm with the CoW wagon just sitting there for like four months. Midori was not even near 'minor nobility', infact she was hated by nigh everyone except her lesbian ERP partners, and she too was bound to be killed by the Guild at some point. Not to mention, I don't think she ever even played a character, but just projected their selves. Half the time she was talking with modern words and slang, not even bothering to use punctuation, capitalization, or emotes. I had to painfully endure this when I played a character that interacted with the Den for some time.
The CoW was built off loans and promises, and it never had a chance to pay off these loans and promises after the Senate passed the motion for MMH. The Guild shouldn'tve instantly PKed Akeem, Midori probably shouldnt've been such a baby to OOC asking death from a finger being cut off for insulting a Templar, and the players that burnt down the Den probably shouldn'tve burnt down the Den.
I was incredibly distraught to find out the Den burnt down when I made a new Allanaki character. It was such an important part of life and roleplay in the city that when it was gone, you could feel the visible activity drop dramatically and you can still feel it to this very day. No one sat in the Gaj, but everyone sat in the Den. I remember going there on a few old characters and ALWAYS seeing someone RPing.. which is obviously important for an RPI game like ArmageddonMUD. For once, I think staff should've stepped in to stop the plot of destroying this important RP hot-spot.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Sept 16, 2022 20:48:51 GMT -5
People sadly don't think ahead of this thing but I think even realistic/reasonable ideas that would keep things interesting OOC AND IC aren't supported enough to be done.
A realistic/interesting way of dealing with the Den would be to have someone insert themselves into the group, either by force or willingly, and use cunning/betrayal/Templar support to take it over from within. Bribe a clerk to change a name on a MMH listing to yours, pay a Templar to support your cause/claim. Done.
That's how things should, at least in some ways, be done. You use the corrupt system, you use your coin and willingness to help those above you (At least in promise), and you do things without necessarily murdering people for it.
It would also be intensely an Allanaki thing to do. You aren't doing EVERYTHING in the shadows, it's a rather overt take over just 'polite', but it's a clear message. You're lining pockets, you're taking property, you're making moves. People will want you on their side by virtue of you doing this, people will want to kill you because you threaten their small pp.
Now imagine someone who isn't a staff pet tries this and imagine the fucking plethora of bullshit they'd deal with. This is a great plot for a TTRPG or a social game but I'd never try this shit in Arm fuck that. I'd rather just stab the guy/burn the place down if I really don't like it or I'd be forced to just let it exist because I know I can't do what I really want to do with it. Killing the guy blatantly and wanting to be the second in command usually has some ass system they wrote out for it, so anything other than strict political bullshit (Which is poorly supported) is a stupid method of dealing with things.
Do I blame the person who burnt the place down? No. Should they have? Also, probably not. It's like if someone burnt the Gaj down but we didn't have the assumption it wouldn't be built, it would just be gone forever.
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Post by nile on Sept 20, 2022 20:06:23 GMT -5
Wagon Wheel was great. I played Salt Inna' Wound (also Zee, another valuren that ended the clan, Guuhl who incapped Grof in the middle of the day in the middle of nak and he got a rez or some staff BS to save him etc etc) til I got my second perma ban for wiping the Valuren out (fuck I still laugh about the weak ass vezeto who had said my PC was a bitch before i one-shotted him). You were always fun to hunt with and that fucking sucks what staff did to you.
But that's arm staff in a nutshell. Bunch of utter shut-in weirdos who jerk off to mudsex.
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Post by Azerbanjani on Sept 21, 2022 14:18:49 GMT -5
Wagon Wheel was great. I played Salt Inna' Wound (also Zee, another valuren that ended the clan, Guuhl who incapped Grof in the middle of the day in the middle of nak and he got a rez or some staff BS to save him etc etc) til I got my second perma ban for wiping the Valuren out (fuck I still laugh about the weak ass vezeto who had said my PC was a bitch before i one-shotted him). You were always fun to hunt with and that fucking sucks what staff did to you. But that's arm staff in a nutshell. Bunch of utter shut-in weirdos who jerk off to mudsex. Isn't/Wasn't Zee the blind guy or am I thinking of someone else? Why'd you kill the Valuren? Bored? Cause they talked shit? (This is 90% of why I PK TBH) |
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Post by nile on Sept 21, 2022 20:11:04 GMT -5
Nah, Zee was the husky, something elf. Valuren Vezeto for a while until I died in a sparring accident with Sleep who forgot to switch mercy on. lol. Zee PK'd a lot of people. Also just cut people down and let them live to prove a point. Can't remember the char name who helped end the Valuren but, no surprise, it was driven entirely by IC events pushed by staff. It started with 2 or 3 of us - high level miscreants and me as enforcer/bounty hunter - when staff opened Valuren. Instead of promoting elves who'd been around for mooooonths RL, had contacts and were strong, they put in a bunch of weak noob PCs. Every single thing we tried to get going seemed to get railroaded by staff. This went on and on. Eventually I log in and things had boiled over. One of the OG miscreants had killed the Szabo. I went straight to the Perch and waited for the Vezeto to show up. Tyr shows up and says some dumb shit like "no more killing unless i say so". So I stood up, asked is that so?, and one shot him. Then I fought off the Ragadozo/anyone else and staff stored the char. Then went on a rampage and stored I bet a bunch of accounts who use VPNs. lol. Tbh tho it was the most fun I had in arm in ages. Playing for yourself and not giving a fuck about staff is the only way.
I'm still IG too but just aren't invested much. So funny the staff trying to ban someone in this day of the internet. I managed over 2 RL years and even got a rez on Salt before they figured anything out.
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Post by wagonwheel on Sept 27, 2022 21:02:18 GMT -5
Wagon Wheel was great. I played Salt Inna' Wound (also Zee, another valuren that ended the clan, Guuhl who incapped Grof in the middle of the day in the middle of nak and he got a rez or some staff BS to save him etc etc) til I got my second perma ban for wiping the Valuren out (fuck I still laugh about the weak ass vezeto who had said my PC was a bitch before i one-shotted him). You were always fun to hunt with and that fucking sucks what staff did to you. But that's arm staff in a nutshell. Bunch of utter shut-in weirdos who jerk off to mudsex. Thanks! Did you know that you were the one to kill Nikomiros, my (previous long lived) character? So it was interesting socializing with your character because I am afraid of you. Then went on a rampage and stored I bet a bunch of accounts who use VPNs. lol. Tbh tho it was the most fun I had in arm in ages. Playing for yourself and not giving a fuck about staff is the only way. I'm still IG too but just aren't invested much. So funny the staff trying to ban someone in this day of the internet. I managed over 2 RL years and even got a rez on Salt before they figured anything out.
This is frightening and hilarious. So let me get this straight. There's maybe what....a hundred unique logins per week now? So I'll arbitrarily assume that maybe one fifth of those are noobs, and another fifth are casuals, God love 'em. Sixty accounts worth watching. Staff and alts must account for no less than half of that at this point. Think about it. Thirty people with decent play time log in during a week, who are in a position to do something if doing things was something that we were allowed to do. You're the expert here. What factor accounts for multiplaying? If I roll with a factor of two that means those thirty accounts are really fifteen people. Perhaps evenly split between north and south, so eight players per side if we're only counting people past five days of play time on their lead character. How many of those can be safely categorized as solo rangers, PK's, and villains of the type that can't have normal social interactions with PC's? I want go with half again, so that's four players per side per week that know how to play, that aren't antisocial. Depending on what socioeconomic stratum your character is in, you might have no one to talk to. Ya know, that isn't staff or some type of massive cheater. Nice work on all of the trolling! Staff were mostly nice to me so I'll try not to undermine their handiwork. I can't imagine the mounting sense of doom they must feel every time they see someone intelligent in the game. Someone who's valium has worn off. Someone looking around the game with clear eyes. And yet they can't afford to alienate anyone of any talent, because they don't have many left. Edit: maths! |
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Post by wagonwheel on Sept 27, 2022 21:08:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, so what was the story with Chief Tender Heart? How did he get railroaded?
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Post by Azerbanjani on Sept 28, 2022 9:17:40 GMT -5
I can confirm I was at least 1/100 people who would solo play in the outdoors when I was on my 'I want to be a mage and ride around on a sunback' arc.
It's so liberating if you are in the mindset for it. If you see 'Plays a mage outdoors' and think 'Whats the point' it isn't for you. If you see 'I want to map out the world/kill stuff' you're closer to the point.
Same idea when I mapped out the silt. There ain't shit out there. I was probably one of the most competent outdoor characters in the game, at the time I'm sure some might have been better for specialized areas (I don't know SHIT about the Grey). I can probably move through the Eastern Red (North and South) without a map and the Canyons of Waste/the Mal-whatever ruins and live out there indefinitely.
The Point: Every attempt I had at trying to plot with staff was met with the most stone walls I've ever seen, so I just stopped. This means one of the few people in the game who have a brain are out playing explorer and not interacting with people. I did run into every fucking sorcerer and their mother and it also showed me: Wow, who knew you could have 3 karma and still suck at fucking roleplay!
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Post by nile on Sept 28, 2022 21:43:38 GMT -5
Wagon Wheel was great. I played Salt Inna' Wound (also Zee, another valuren that ended the clan, Guuhl who incapped Grof in the middle of the day in the middle of nak and he got a rez or some staff BS to save him etc etc) til I got my second perma ban for wiping the Valuren out (fuck I still laugh about the weak ass vezeto who had said my PC was a bitch before i one-shotted him). You were always fun to hunt with and that fucking sucks what staff did to you. But that's arm staff in a nutshell. Bunch of utter shut-in weirdos who jerk off to mudsex. Thanks! Did you know that you were the one to kill Nikomiros, my (previous long lived) character? So it was interesting socializing with your character because I am afraid of you.-------------------------------Honestly I PK'd so many people I hardly remember names. How'd it go down? Then went on a rampage and stored I bet a bunch of accounts who use VPNs. lol. Tbh tho it was the most fun I had in arm in ages. Playing for yourself and not giving a fuck about staff is the only way. I'm still IG too but just aren't invested much. So funny the staff trying to ban someone in this day of the internet. I managed over 2 RL years and even got a rez on Salt before they figured anything out.
This is frightening and hilarious. So let me get this straight. There's maybe what....a hundred unique logins per week now? So I'll arbitrarily assume that maybe one fifth of those are noobs, and another fifth are casuals, God love 'em. Sixty accounts worth watching. Staff and alts must account for no less than half of that at this point. Think about it. Thirty people with decent play time log in during a week, who are in a position to do something if doing things was something that we were allowed to do. You're the expert here. What factor accounts for multiplaying? If I roll with a factor of two that means those thirty accounts are really fifteen people. Perhaps evenly split between north and south, so eight players per side if we're only counting people past five days of play time on their lead character. How many of those can be safely categorized as solo rangers, PK's, and villains of the type that can't have normal social interactions with PC's? I want go with half again, so that's four players per side per week that know how to play, that aren't antisocial. Depending on what socioeconomic stratum your character is in, you might have no one to talk to. Ya know, that isn't staff or some type of massive cheater. Nice work on all of the trolling! Staff were mostly nice to me so I'll try not to undermine their handiwork. I can't imagine the mounting sense of doom they must feel every time they see someone intelligent in the game. Someone who's valium has worn off. Someone looking around the game with clear eyes. And yet they can't afford to alienate anyone of any talent, because they don't have many left. Edit: maths!-------------------------------bro the sheer control i had running several clans at once was ridiculous. that said, i always kept it IC. but yeah, multi playing is insanely easy and i guarantee a dozen or more are doing it. |
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Post by nile on Sept 29, 2022 6:15:38 GMT -5
Not going to comment on Tender. He got screwed over a bit. I forced a PC to store over it cuz they were too scared to fight me.
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