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Post by vex on Apr 18, 2020 17:30:52 GMT -5
All of the staff (with the exception of Nessalin) and players are using code and zones developed by people who are long gone. Maybe they'd have been pleased to share it with others, seeing what Arm has turned into.
Given the behavior of staff AND players, since I started, and no doubt, since long before then, I rather doubt any of them have or had any concept of "sharing" without grievance.
Arm as a game, with a culture, of "fuck you, got mine!", where everyone plays for themselves, where 'taking advantage' or 'exploit as much as possible without getting caught' is the default rule of engagement for most. There are MANY players and staff, especially places like the GDB and their Discord, who SPEAK of being benevolent and 'best intentions for all', volunteering their time to play sponsor roles, or manage clans, or do all of the things people do, because they 'love the game', but typically, they're empty words. They do it because they're getting what they want out of it, and they'll be gone as soon as they aren't.
I can't imagine a situation, wherein staff or players past or current, would be cool with even an antiquated version of their precious game, being enjoyed by anyone but themselves, in their own circle(jerk) of familiar faces. It's the most anti-Arm sentiment I can think of.
A lot of them openly shun, abuse, exploit, or otherwise mistreat new players. The why of it is a baffle, but I rather suspect, it's because they don't want to lose advantage, or share what they have, which as sad as it is ridiculous, but I don't see any other reason, why new players would be treated so consistently poorly or with such flippant disregard, as they are, there.
They don't like boards like this, because instead of precious little game secrets being shared only among themselves via private communications, it's available for everyone to digest, at their leisure. The last thing the average arm vet wants, is for new players to have an equal field of play, or to enjoy the game, or get as many benefits in the game, as they do. Because they've been around so long, they feel they deserve it. They're better. They're special. It's just how most of them are, so the idea that they'd ever be "ok", with ex-players or ex-staff, taking a bootleg copy of the code, and running off with it to start a pirate version of the game, is rather ridiculous.
It is what it is, and it's better to just be real with the fact is a game being built on stolen code, without permission or blessing, or the original controlling party.
Nobody is going to forget it is what it is, because the RP mud community is so tiny and inbred, and it's such a juicy little drama, that it'll hang in the air forever, like bottled flatulence.
Suggesting past admins are going to be "pleased" to see the code jacked and exploited without consent, is like expecting someone to happy, that a thief jacked their identity and is now living a better, more comfortable life, because of it. Its patently fucking absurd.
If you're fine with playing a bootleg game, just be fine with it. Don't dress it up, or try to spin some sugar narrative. The code was leaked without authorization, and is being used without blessing. That's what it is. That's what it'll always be.
Like, I don't care? If it didn't look like it was infested with spergs and shitlords, I'd probably have tried it, too, if only to finally be able to play a wandering elf again, without some fat admin sitting there, rubbing his tiny little dick about all the negative notes he gets to put on my account for it. I don't care about the morality of it. I'm not making that judgement.
What I'm saying is, its better you be straight about what it is, and who you are, for being OK with what it is. Don't be disingenuous about it. There is no dressing up, this particular pig. Nobody is going to buy that shit.
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vex
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Post by vex on Apr 18, 2020 17:33:41 GMT -5
The fact that there's no desire to advertise the game at the current moment also hurts. Had that not be the case, I'd be trying to pull people from all over.
They probably know, as soon as they make any kind of advert to the public, Arm staff & vets will be flooding them with neg reviews, hate, rage, etcs.
Only way a bootleg project is going to grow, is through private word of mouth, and positive reputation.
Too bad, about this thread, huh?
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 18, 2020 19:00:38 GMT -5
The fact that there's no desire to advertise the game at the current moment also hurts. Had that not be the case, I'd be trying to pull people from all over.
They probably know, as soon as they make any kind of advert to the public, Arm staff & vets will be flooding them with neg reviews, hate, rage, etcs.
Only way a bootleg project is going to grow, is through private word of mouth, and positive reputation.
Too bad, about this thread, huh?
I mean, the Arm people are already doing that. So I'm just waiting for people to discover the game. I'm terrible at convincing people. EDIT: Also, you kinda strike me as /really/ pessimistic. Like holy shit I thought myself when I was 17ish was bad.
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Post by delerak on Apr 18, 2020 19:17:12 GMT -5
It's really not pessimism. It's just the truth.
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Post by explayer on Apr 18, 2020 19:45:18 GMT -5
What I'm saying is, its better you be straight about what it is, and who you are, for being OK with what it is. Don't be disingenuous about it. There is no dressing up, this particular pig. Nobody is going to buy that shit. Yeah, obviously it's a stolen copy. No one is disputing that. What I'm saying is that I don't really feel that the present staff has a firm claim on ownership either, seeing how little they've been adding to the game this past decade. They've just taken control of work other people did, so why should it be considered "theirs". Also, not all of the staff have been sociopaths seeking little edifices of "power" for themselves. The initial few generations were rude as hell but still very creative. I was on staff at Arm a long time ago, and I say piss on Arm as it stands. I'd be delighted to add to Apoc things that have been screaming potential for so long on Arm but have never and probably never will be touched. Things like implementing a sailing system for silt ships with PCs/NPCs requiring actual seamanship to travel and survive in them. Implementing tiers and decks to the ships and a system for combat between them and for ship-to-large-silt-beast combat. Give PC commanders in Shento an actual fleet they can deploy to keep trade routes open and the like. Implementing a ship construction system so that PCs can build a ship from founding a keel right up to the final rigging over months of play. So much potential. So much, and Arm just grinds along with occasionally the gith stirring a little while for the five hundreth time. I say add to Apoc, because I can't see Arm's staff ever clearing the way for such work when even changing a freaking door is a six month deal. Apoc has far more potential for living up to Arm's original promise than Arm itself does at this stage, or at least I hope it does, that's its justification and that's why it interests me.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 18, 2020 19:45:43 GMT -5
It's really not pessimism. It's just the truth. That's just unfortunate, then.
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Post by nile on Apr 18, 2020 23:05:03 GMT -5
rofl I had to think the same. That's ironic coming from you. How so? I've been playing Apoc actively since it opened. EDIT: Also, dude, reading your posts, you seem mad. Maybe you had an incident early on that turned you off? Seems odd for someone to rant so much.
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Post by nile on Apr 18, 2020 23:10:45 GMT -5
rofl I had to think the same. imgur.com/a/tGHy7uOHere's where nile/Meursault/leader of the Locals lost his shit in the Shadowspeak during launch week because the Militia was getting more attention than him. He lost it even worse in the actual Apocalypse discord. Left and rejoined with a second account to keep playing. But I'm not going to go dig that up. I guess we all want to be special, sometimes. Really don't want a flame war but when I offer up some criticism and it's met with a bunch of low iq hate posts... Ahhh, I bet you were one of the Militia guys or something. Yeah, I thought they were a bad idea. It was straight importing Armageddon shit into an area of the game it was seemingly out of place and I wasn't up for that. I also had to rejoin the Discord because of the way the actual game works. You need to be on the Discord to see updates etc. You'll notice I don't post much and my bitching was limited to the Armageddon import upon opening. I never made a second account either. I just left and rejoined. What are you talking about?
That all got dealt with IG despite my OOC bitching, btw. I accepted it and made a clan in response, which worked out very well. You're focusing on shit months old and still blowing up about it. You're coming across as a whiny guy that's experience is limited to the first weeks of gameplay by hanging on this stuff, which really justifies the comments you said were baseless since you're the loudest person in the thread. Surely you can understand that?
And shit dude, if you think that is "losing your shit" then what do you call your explosions in this thread?
I also don't see why you feel it necessary to out my character's with my Discord name. Why you so mad?
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Post by pinkerdlu on Apr 18, 2020 23:24:57 GMT -5
imgur.com/a/tGHy7uOHere's where nile/Meursault/leader of the Locals lost his shit in the Shadowspeak during launch week because the Militia was getting more attention than him. He lost it even worse in the actual Apocalypse discord. Left and rejoined with a second account to keep playing. But I'm not going to go dig that up. I guess we all want to be special, sometimes. Really don't want a flame war but when I offer up some criticism and it's met with a bunch of low iq hate posts... Ahhh, I bet you were one of the Militia guys or something. Yeah, I thought they were a bad idea. It was straight importing Armageddon shit into an area of the game it was seemingly out of place and I wasn't up for that. I also had to rejoin the Discord because of the way the actual game works. You need to be on the Discord to see updates etc. You'll notice I don't post much and my bitching was limited to the Armageddon import upon opening. I never made a second account either. I just left and rejoined. What are you talking about?
That all got dealt with IG despite my OOC bitching, btw. I accepted it and made a clan in response, which worked out very well. You're focusing on shit months old and still blowing up about it. You're coming across as a whiny guy that's experience is limited to the first weeks of gameplay by hanging on this stuff, which really justifies the comments you said were baseless since you're the loudest person in the thread. Surely you can understand that?
And shit dude, if you think that is "losing your shit" then what do you call your explosions in this thread?
I also don't see why you feel it necessary to out my character's with my Discord name. Why you so mad?
Nope, wasn't Militia but feel free to continue projecting. The only reason I posted that is because you and your butt buddies from Apocalypse wanted to roll in, shitpost, and act like hypocrites. The conversation before that had been pretty controlled, with legitimate criticism on the game and some well meaning responses. Just own up to your shitty behavior and stop being a pest. I'm not 'so mad' and I don't think my critiques of Apocalypse come anywhere near the level of flame that you exhibited in the Apocalypse or Shadowboard discords. But yes, I am an epic gamer
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Post by nile on Apr 18, 2020 23:34:07 GMT -5
Ahhh, I bet you were one of the Militia guys or something. Yeah, I thought they were a bad idea. It was straight importing Armageddon shit into an area of the game it was seemingly out of place and I wasn't up for that. I also had to rejoin the Discord because of the way the actual game works. You need to be on the Discord to see updates etc. You'll notice I don't post much and my bitching was limited to the Armageddon import upon opening. I never made a second account either. I just left and rejoined. What are you talking about?
That all got dealt with IG despite my OOC bitching, btw. I accepted it and made a clan in response, which worked out very well. You're focusing on shit months old and still blowing up about it. You're coming across as a whiny guy that's experience is limited to the first weeks of gameplay by hanging on this stuff, which really justifies the comments you said were baseless since you're the loudest person in the thread. Surely you can understand that?
And shit dude, if you think that is "losing your shit" then what do you call your explosions in this thread?
I also don't see why you feel it necessary to out my character's with my Discord name. Why you so mad?
Nope, wasn't Militia but feel free to continue projecting. The only reason I posted that is because you and your butt buddies from Apocalypse wanted to roll in, shitpost, and act like hypocrites. The conversation before that had been pretty controlled, with legitimate criticism on the game and some well meaning responses. Just own up to your shitty behavior and stop being a pest. I'm not 'so mad' and I don't think my critiques of Apocalypse come anywhere near the level of flame that you exhibited in the Apocalypse or Shadowboard discords. But yes, I am an epic gamer Projecting? It was an entirely reasonable assumption based on your emotional reaction. You're just getting at ad hominem nonsense here to try and deflect from your baseless and unwarranted personal attack, aka: poisoning the well. But on the topic, "shit posting and acting like a hypocrite" seems a bit ironic for you to say at this point. Here's the man talking non-stop shit, being an arguable "pest" depending on your position, and talking about others IQ while spouting fallacies.
And I just owned up to saying the Militia were shit. I stand by that opinion. What else do you want? Did you post that stuff with any point other than trying to spin some story you've made up in your head about me? All I did was say I agreed with someone else, and your random post throwing a tantrum about me over shit from the opening weeks of the game justifies that position alone.
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Post by nile on Apr 18, 2020 23:40:09 GMT -5
What I'm saying is, its better you be straight about what it is, and who you are, for being OK with what it is. Don't be disingenuous about it. There is no dressing up, this particular pig. Nobody is going to buy that shit. Yeah, obviously it's a stolen copy. No one is disputing that. What I'm saying is that I don't really feel that the present staff has a firm claim on ownership either, seeing how little they've been adding to the game this past decade. They've just taken control of work other people did, so why should it be considered "theirs". Also, not all of the staff have been sociopaths seeking little edifices of "power" for themselves. The initial few generations were rude as hell but still very creative. I was on staff at Arm a long time ago, and I say piss on Arm as it stands. I'd be delighted to add to Apoc things that have been screaming potential for so long on Arm but have never and probably never will be touched. Things like implementing a sailing system for silt ships with PCs/NPCs requiring actual seamanship to travel and survive in them. Implementing tiers and decks to the ships and a system for combat between them and for ship-to-large-silt-beast combat. Give PC commanders in Shento an actual fleet they can deploy to keep trade routes open and the like. Implementing a ship construction system so that PCs can build a ship from founding a keel right up to the final rigging over months of play. So much potential. So much, and Arm just grinds along with occasionally the gith stirring a little while for the five hundreth time. I say add to Apoc, because I can never see Arm's staff clearing the way for such work when even adding a freaking door is a six month deal. Apoc has far more potential for living up to Arm's original promise than Arm itself does at this stage, or at least I hope it does, that's its justification and that's why it interests me. Love the idea of skimmer code. I really hope staff do something like that. I've got a concept planned for if it happens
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 19, 2020 0:05:03 GMT -5
I'm still 100% firm in my position.
Gith OP; please nerf.
...Seriously though. I think fucking Silt Horrors might be less dangerous than Gith.
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Post by nile on Apr 19, 2020 0:20:30 GMT -5
I'm still 100% firm in my position. Gith OP; please nerf. ...Seriously though. I think fucking Silt Horrors might be less dangerous than Gith. You can get rolls on anything that suddenly fuck you up. Gith are just more likely to be dangerous. Honest I don't think they need a nerf.
And silt horrors would be crazy dangerous if they were actual NPCs with a potential for high stat rolls. Staff seem to do a good job at keeping a balance with loading critters that are incredibly dangerous (silt horrors) and keeping them from killing off every PC present (expect to get wounded tho ).
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Post by pinkerdlu on Apr 19, 2020 0:43:13 GMT -5
I disliked how you and your OOC friends (fellow Apoc players who you're in private discord channels with - aka the Real Housewives of Shetno/Apocalypse) came into this thread where there were actual discussions taking place, and reduced it to flaming and inane banter. I shared that log which highlighted that YOU have engaged in the same behavior that you were accusing others of. You had disagreements with staff, you left the Apocalypse discord, you threatened to quit the game several times, you hated on another PC clan, you created a private discord for your own clan which you then advertised and invited people to using the OOC command while in-game. Nile/Meursault, I don't dislike you. But I do dislike some of the behavior that you exhibit and these private discord cliques that are honestly fostering a negative atmosphere in Apoc. EDIT: I know it might feel that I'm directly targeting this at you, but there are definitely others at fault as well. Now, if you want like to address the actual points of critic that I made earlier in the thread, I'd be more than willing to actually talk them out with you or anyone. Don't you agree that some of the plots are rough, with little substance? Don't you think that many npcs are poorly balanced? That the karma system needs worked? That instadeath rooms (like the silt sea) and certain pits/falling rooms need changed? That some skills (sap) and spells need balanced and reworked? That the community is very small right now? That there's a lack of communication right now between Ikthe, the staff and everyone else? Do you recognize that there are problems? How do you feel about the game?
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Post by nile on Apr 19, 2020 0:47:52 GMT -5
I disliked how you and your OOC friends (fellow Apoc players who you're in private discord channels with - aka the Real Housewives of Shetno/Apocalypse) came into this thread where there were actual discussions taking place, and reduced it to flaming and banter. I shared that log which highlighted that YOU have engaged in the same behavior. You had disagreements with staff, you let the Apocalypse discord, you threatened to quit the game several times, you hated on another PC clan, you created a private discord for your own clan which you then advertised and invited to people to using the OOC command while in-game. Nile/Meursault, I don't dislike you. But I do dislike some of the behavior that you exhibit and these private discord cliques that are honestly fostering a negative atmosphere in Apoc. Now, if you want like to address the actual points of critic that I made earlier in the thread, I'd be more than willing to actually talk them out with you or anyone. Don't you agree that some of the plots are rough, with little substance? Don't you think that many npcs are poorly balanced? That the karma system needs worked? That instadeath rooms (like the silt sea) and certain pits/falling rooms need changed? That same skills (sap) and spells need balanced and reworked? That the community is very small right now? That there's a lack of communication right now between Ikthe, the staff and everyone else? Do you recognize that there are problems? How do you feel about the game? lol wut? How the fuck did you conclude this thread is "me and my friends"? I agreed with a guest poster, therefore we have all been colluding? Get a grip.
And if these alleged 'cliques' I'm part of are private then how would you know the information? Seems you're privy to quite a few private 'cliques' of your own. And, please, I hardly even post on the Discord. My lack of presence is a negative atmosphere? Or are you still hanging on to a single series of posts from the opening weeks of the game?
EDIT: And if you're talking about the clan Discord? I discussed that with staff and did it with their full knowledge and approval. I even invited them to it. It was treated much like a GDB with the various threads I made/docs I wrote. People would leave when their PC died etc. If you want to make a clan and do the same, do it.
And I'm more interested in your conspiracy theories at this point. I'm having fun with the game. You might need to readjust your standards given the amount of work to be done, but I have little issue with it. Staff keep things fun and things are chugging along whether or not your PC is involved, assuming you actually still play and don't just imagine fantasy cliques colluding to bring you down in an unrelated discussion board...
EDIT: Noticed you mentioned that 'Real Housewives' channel...proving how utterly clueless you are. I literally joined that a few RL days ago because I was told it was about Labmud and I'd never tried the game. My influence there extends to a few RL days. rofl
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