delerak
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Post by delerak on Jan 6, 2020 12:25:48 GMT -5
I've tried a few clans since July and I have to agree with Lechuk. I found them to be pretty boring for the most part. Needless to say I will probably be indie for a long while now.
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vex
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Post by vex on Jan 7, 2020 4:48:54 GMT -5
One big detriment (I was surprised at how impactful it ended up being) is the immense amount of negativity. It is infectious and withering. A lot of current staff are new and they are very susceptible to critique. Either by shutting down, going into Analysis Paralysis, Burning out, or ... Lashing out.
I liked the post, generally.
Pretty sure you're not so daft as to actually believe some of that spin, but it does, at least agree with a lot my own opinions and views. Except for the above.
To put it blunt: Staff treat enough people like garbage, that it piling up and making a stink is unavoidable.
If staff don't like the negativity? The solution has been there all along: BE THE CHANGE!
I do appreciate that a new staffer might come into this and feel dumped on, but lots of new players came into the game and feel dumped on, and the latest stated staff opinion on that is basically "didn't want/need their kind anyway!", so I'm not thinking pandering for sympathy for staff, from players, is going to work out right now. It'd be better to counter the negativity with action. Consider not uselessly antagonizing a forum full of dole bludgers, who already have a negative opinion of the game... you know, just a thought?
Or continue, being completely full of shit, and ensuring the situation never gets better, only worse.
It'd be the human thing to do, really.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Jan 7, 2020 8:27:10 GMT -5
I think if any individual member of staff feels disheartened by negativity to the point that they don't want to work on the game anymore, you can do one of two things:
1) Stop reading the board, stop reading reviews on Mud Connector/Reddit and tell any staff members that talk about what's posted on those places to shut up, and that you don't want to hear it. Stay within the bubble that the staff can actually control and dismiss everything that runs counter to the approved message as a lie.
2) Consider what about these criticisms are making you disheartened. Do you feel like they're unfair towards you, personally? Prove it through your own actions. Do you think they're unfair to your colleagues? Then speak up for them. Do you think they're fair to your colleagues but not to you? Then consider what you can do from your position to improve staff work culture. If you can't think of anything then consider asking your fellow staff members (off the game, though, because everything is logged) if they sympathize with some of your concerns about leadership. Talk to players as well. Figure out a meaningful change that is necessary for the game's success. Then gather enough people and make a pact to leave the game unless that change is made. Not everything has to be decided by the staff members who refuse to make changes: to run the game, they need you more than you need them.
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Post by LordOfChange on Jan 8, 2020 10:47:15 GMT -5
One big detriment (I was surprised at how impactful it ended up being) is the immense amount of negativity. It is infectious and withering. A lot of current staff are new and they are very susceptible to critique. Either by shutting down, going into Analysis Paralysis, Burning out, or ... Lashing out. have you guys ever considered trying to not be pieces of shit rather than crying about how awful it is that people talk about you on an isolated, unaffiliated board on the internet? inject this post strahgt into my veins
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dorksun
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Post by dorksun on Jan 16, 2020 11:34:44 GMT -5
i dont know much about tuluk vs allanak stuff. i uaually got ate by animals before getting involved in anything. all i know is that at this rate theyre probably not going to further divide up their shrunken playerbase by reopening another city for purely practical reasons of trying to keep ppl together to try to get them interact
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 6, 2020 22:04:35 GMT -5
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vex
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Post by vex on Apr 7, 2020 5:12:53 GMT -5
Tbh, it sounds like virtual Tuluk is having a way more entertaining go of it, than the rest of us are.
Civil war w/ mind zombies, battle lines in an urban center, noble houses divided along tangible and impactful political lines, with immoral grey area shit going down on all sides with no escape from it for anyone? Sign me the fuck up for some of that action.
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mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Apr 7, 2020 13:16:23 GMT -5
It's a cop-out. They spent years waffling on Tuluk's existence after Nyr spitefully tanked the entire play area, then took his ball and went home. They decided the remaining players have been successfully conditioned into accepting that Armageddon has one main play area and no meaningful worldwide conflict. So they half-assed a background story to cover for the years of inaction.
Like, from the perspective of those in charge, what is even the point of running a city full of listless? What are nobles/templars/the Sun King doing, just living and enjoying life off the backs of the listless's labor? How is that any different from before? Why was it necessary to make everyone listless? The documentation is so blatantly hand-waved in an effort to make Tuluk look like an overgrown mystery and raises more questions than it answers.
Also, they didn't even know the fortress was spelled "Ayun Iskandir". They could have easily verified that by asking any long-time former Tuluk player, or, you know... letting a long-time former Tuluk player write the doc, since they would have more of an idea of what they were talking about than Brokkr would.
They may as well have wrote "Muk Utep died on the way back to his home planet" and saved themselves the trouble of writing an embarrassing background story that exposes the shallow, fanfic-level writing skills of whoever wrote it.
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vex
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Post by vex on Apr 7, 2020 15:04:43 GMT -5
Still sounds 100% better, than just about everything going on IC right now, imo.
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Post by psyxypher on Apr 7, 2020 19:06:42 GMT -5
I'm really tempted to just write some completely fanmade documents for Tuluk just for the hell of it.
Sounds like the staff threw out a lot of good stuff when they flooded Tuluk.
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