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Post by jcarter on Sept 24, 2019 9:54:42 GMT -5
lol. i pity having to be a mud admin and deal with shit like that. you try to make a semi-automated D&D experience, and you have people who want to use it for cybersex in addition to gaming. ok fine whatever, not your thing or the purpose but it's out of sight and they're good players, why mess with it. then you have more horn dogs sneaking it -- more annoying but you can't really clamp down on people doing it since it technically isn't hurting anyone.
you let it go for years, then people start complaining about unwanted sexual RP and now you have to make policies regarding shit like rape when all you wanted to do was have a game where you go on adventures and kill monsters. eventually normal players move on to better action games, so now you've got a larger percentage of horn dogs but what can you do about it? occasionally they pester other players and you sort of swat them off but you're not going to be able to get rid of it without having to deal with every dumbass having a shitfit because they can't use your action game as a venue for sexual gratification.
more years go by, you get accused of pedophilia because of a handful of degenerate players. then players start demanding the game be rated 18+. and you sit there shaking your head, wondering why the fuck people can't just go to porn sites and need to appropriate your game about desert wizards and elves to get their rocks off.
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Post by faroukel on Sept 24, 2019 10:25:34 GMT -5
and you sit there shaking your head, wondering why the fuck people can't just go to porn sites and need to appropriate your game about desert wizards and elves to get their rocks off. My assumption is - "porn doesn't play back" or does it? Wait, now Im confused..
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Post by tedium on Sept 24, 2019 10:25:40 GMT -5
We're all toxic. Staff come from players, but at least 'level headedness' is one of the criteria that they get picked form.
lol
Do you actually believe the things you post or are you just trolling for fun? I knew Arm staff had issues, but I've always thought that it was laziness and indifference. You're chronically wrong about everything you discuss in a way that is remarkable to watch. You are the opposite of correct as often as you are anything at all. The things you say are so far out of touch with reality on any subject -- how other games are run, how stories work, how noble societies work, the purpose of secrets in a narrative, whether everyone is 'toxic', whether arm staff are 'level headed', whether someone being mad about the kid-fucking in arm is a secret conspiracy to take the game down, what the person you're talking to is even saying -- that I cannot help but wonder if you are trolling.
But it makes sense why Arm staff has been so bad at fixing things if you're the sort of person they have at the helm. You have garbage takes on absolutely anything and everything, but you don't let that stop you from throwing yourself onto your knees to gargle balls as loudly as you can, so that everyone knows you're the proudest, most loyal supplicant of them all.
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 24, 2019 10:28:19 GMT -5
EDIT - Watch it, just believe me.
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Post by faroukel on Sept 24, 2019 10:35:30 GMT -5
How is he wrong?
FFS, we're all toxic in some regard, whether as individual mud players, or as a species in general however you want to cite it.
Why is it so hard to believe that "level headedness" is a criteria that Arm staff are selected by? It doesn't mean they use the criteria well or in the spirit of the definition of level headedness...it just means its a criterion that may/may not be applied correctly.
Not saying he/she isn't a troll with his/her own agenda. Just nitpicking that one instance.
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 24, 2019 10:46:04 GMT -5
How is he wrong? FFS, we're all toxic in some regard, whether as individual mud players, or as a species in general however you want to cite it. Why is it so hard to believe that "level headedness" is a criteria that Arm staff are selected by? It doesn't mean they use the criteria well or in the spirit of the definition of level headedness...it just means its a criterion that may/may not be applied correctly. Not saying he/she isn't a troll with his/her own agenda. Just nitpicking that one instance. He's not wrong that Arm staff claim to use "level headedness" as a critieria for selecting Arm staff. He's wrong to pull a whataboutism in an effort to claim that everyone - players, critics, and the indifferent - is "toxic" in an effort to dismiss fair criticism of the game as well as the... overzealousness, shall we say, of the game's defenders. The larger context of tedium's post is that qwerty is wrong about just about everything they say, and is wrong about it on purpose, she's not targeting the "level headedness" remark specifically.
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Post by faroukel on Sept 24, 2019 11:09:05 GMT -5
Yea, I got that.
Was just nitpicking that instance.
The issue being;
RPI staff and diehards shit on anyone who offers a dissenting opinion and get called out for it on snark boards by those shat on.
Person posts rather neutral yet dissenting opinion on snark boards and promptly gets shit on by those claiming to have been shatted upon.
<insert "be the change" or equivalent here>
Also, lets be frank, despite the obvious agenda behind qwerty, these forums would be BORING without the few of his/her ilk.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 24, 2019 11:12:51 GMT -5
claiming everyone is toxic is a dumb statement that waters down the meaning of the word and ignores nuance and context. if everyone is toxic, e.g. particularly emotionally and mentally unhealthy to be around, then no one is toxic.
"how is he wrong" -- lol, how is he right? why would anyone take qwerty's milquetoast platitudes about how "none of us are normal" and "we're all toxic" about people he has never met or interacted with before beyond snarky comments seriously?
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 24, 2019 11:14:13 GMT -5
lol. i pity having to be a mud admin and deal with shit like that. you try to make a semi-automated D&D experience, and you have people who want to use it for cybersex in addition to gaming. ok fine whatever, not your thing or the purpose but it's out of sight and they're good players, why mess with it. then you have more horn dogs sneaking it -- more annoying but you can't really clamp down on people doing it since it technically isn't hurting anyone. you let it go for years, then people start complaining about unwanted sexual RP and now you have to make policies regarding shit like rape when all you wanted to do was have a game where you go on adventures and kill monsters. eventually normal players move on to better action games, so now you've got a larger percentage of horn dogs but what can you do about it? occasionally they pester other players and you sort of swat them off but you're not going to be able to get rid of it without having to deal with every dumbass having a shitfit because they can't use your action game as a venue for sexual gratification. more years go by, you get accused of pedophilia because of a handful of degenerate players. then players start demanding the game be rated 18+. and you sit there shaking your head, wondering why the fuck people can't just go to porn sites and need to appropriate your game about desert wizards and elves to get their rocks off. I agree it's pretty messed up, but the staff have a very easy out here. Hell, I'll even write the staff announcement for them: "Amidst the ongoing discussion regarding sexual roleplay, consent, and age limits for players, we have also discussed the direction in which Armageddon should go in order to adequately adapt to the ongoing conversation and situation. Armageddon has always billed itself as a game that is about living out a character's difficult life in the harsh world of Zalanthas. It is billed as an interactive, collaborative story that uses written text to describe characters' lives as they unfold and interact with other characters in the world. In order to move forward while holding true to that statement, we have decided that explicit sexual roleplay is not only unnecessary, but also actually detracts from Armageddon's mission. That said, we have decided to forbid all sexual roleplay.
To be clear, this does not mean that your character can't have a romantic life or sexual interest in others. We realize that such elements are important to telling a character's story, and are featured in most written works and forms of entertainment media. What this does mean is that, in an instance where two or more characters are about to have sex, they "fade to black" instead, and resume roleplay to a point after the sex has ended. Before fading to black, it is recommended that you remove all armor, in case your partner is a big titty assassin.
Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to make Armageddon better."To any staff reading, if you're looking for a PR guy, consider this post my staff application.
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Post by faroukel on Sept 24, 2019 11:21:47 GMT -5
Sure, it's very milquetoast-esque statement that could go either way when it comes to people being toxic. But it's an observation I think given the right frame of mind or moment, you as an average individual (you, being you, me, the guy next door, your mom, etc) could easily call out in similar context.
That was one of the more neutral, non balls-in-mouth statements qwerty has made. And it's humorous that the responses are in the same vein as those we sling shade at in the attached reddit thread of Arm veterans shitting on people.
IT also gives some credence to the "opposite" side of the shadowboards, in that all shadowboarder's (or what you call em) are basement dwelling spergs (learning the lingo!) just waiting to tweak out on something or another. The devils advocate in me almost wants to take up qwerty's cause, just because of witnessing the ..hypocrisy?
But really, who cares...I'm just posting cause I'm bored, and this is a forum, and posting is what we do..
edited to add: I get what qwertys all about, my mom raised only a partial sucker. It's just kinda funny, I guess..
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Post by jcarter on Sept 24, 2019 11:48:19 GMT -5
It is billed as an interactive, collaborative story that uses written text to describe characters' lives as they unfold and interact with other characters in the world. In order to move forward while holding true to that statement, we have decided that explicit sexual roleplay is not only unnecessary, but also actually detracts from Armageddon's mission. That said, we have decided to forbid all sexual roleplay. i genuinely believe players would have one of the biggest shit-fits in the history of the game and you'd see the departure of many people over this. Sure, it's very milquetoast-esque statement that could go either way when it comes to people being toxic. But it's an observation I think given the right frame of mind or moment, you as an average individual (you, being you, me, the guy next door, your mom, etc) could easily call out in similar context. That was one of the more neutral, non balls-in-mouth statements qwerty has made. And it's humorous that the responses are in the same vein as those we sling shade at in the attached reddit thread of Arm veterans shitting on people. there's no logic or consistency between his platitude and the positions he's taken on the board. staff and players are toxic, yet whenever a controversy arises his default belief is in the staff-side. if someone genuinely believed both sides were toxic, the default position would be spread 50/50 or fence-sitting. it's a stupid thing to say and so blatantly conflicts with how he's posted and behaved over the last...what, 3 years? that i'm flabbergasted people even bother reading it without the least bit of scrutiny.
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Post by gringoose on Sept 24, 2019 11:52:20 GMT -5
I started playing MUDs when I was 9, mostly just hack n slash and hopped around a bunch of them. Then, I found SoI and Arm when I was 12. I played a lot more SoI than Arm but would go back and forth in between PCs dying. I would wake up early before school to play for about an hour then some in the evening. I met my first girlfriend on SoI when I was 16, she was the same age as me and we were just a few months apart and she had been playing for a couple years herself. The PCs we played were adult PCs in their twenties but we were actually young ourselves. I met her in person but since we were too young to see each other consistently from a long distance, it didn't last.
If I hadn't started playing from a young age, I probably wouldn't have ever played MUDs. There's definitely people under 18 that played Arm, I was one of them. I don't think I was harmed by being exposed to Arm at a young age. By then I had already routinely seen porn and everything violent that could be depicted on Arm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:15:48 GMT -5
Sure, it's very milquetoast-esque statement that could go either way when it comes to people being toxic. But it's an observation I think given the right frame of mind or moment, you as an average individual (you, being you, me, the guy next door, your mom, etc) could easily call out in similar context. That was one of the more neutral, non balls-in-mouth statements qwerty has made. And it's humorous that the responses are in the same vein as those we sling shade at in the attached reddit thread of Arm veterans shitting on people. IT also gives some credence to the "opposite" side of the shadowboards, in that all shadowboarder's (or what you call em) are basement dwelling spergs (learning the lingo!) just waiting to tweak out on something or another. The devils advocate in me almost wants to take up qwerty's cause, just because of witnessing the ..hypocrisy? But really, who cares...I'm just posting cause I'm bored, and this is a forum, and posting is what we do.. edited to add: I get what qwertys all about, my mom raised only a partial sucker. It's just kinda funny, I guess.. Stop that. There can be only one Qwerty on these boards!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:46:59 GMT -5
It is billed as an interactive, collaborative story that uses written text to describe characters' lives as they unfold and interact with other characters in the world. In order to move forward while holding true to that statement, we have decided that explicit sexual roleplay is not only unnecessary, but also actually detracts from Armageddon's mission. That said, we have decided to forbid all sexual roleplay. i genuinely believe players would have one of the biggest shit-fits in the history of the game and you'd see the departure of many people over this. Sure, it's very milquetoast-esque statement that could go either way when it comes to people being toxic. But it's an observation I think given the right frame of mind or moment, you as an average individual (you, being you, me, the guy next door, your mom, etc) could easily call out in similar context. That was one of the more neutral, non balls-in-mouth statements qwerty has made. And it's humorous that the responses are in the same vein as those we sling shade at in the attached reddit thread of Arm veterans shitting on people. there's no logic or consistency between his platitude and the positions he's taken on the board. staff and players are toxic, yet whenever a controversy arises his default belief is in the staff-side. if someone genuinely believed both sides were toxic, the default position would be spread 50/50 or fence-sitting. it's a stupid thing to say and so blatantly conflicts with how he's posted and behaved over the last...what, 3 years? that i'm flabbergasted people even bother reading it without the least bit of scrutiny. The reason I often deadpan deny that something happened is because I'm aware of mechanisms and inner staff community that is designed in a way to "prevent" that stuff from happening. Ohhh. No. Staff loaded twelve spiders and they killed me. They did it on purpose. If a staffer "genuinely" did that. That would be a 10 page discussion of everyone weighing in and unless there is some seriously good reasons, a staffer would probably not survive this deed. It goes very much against the staff policy. So if a statement like that happens. My first question would be, "Why the fuck would a staffer risk their position to kill a character who's already mortal and will eventually die himself." Why? The motivation has to be POWERFUL to do this. And if I cant really think of a reason, then It's Buuuuull'shiiiiiit. Especially since I've seen the instance of this happening ooohhh soooo maaaany times. Stop fucking walking into spider lairs, or mantis clutches, or sleeping in grasslands, 2 rooms away from bahamets. Ohhh. A staffer told another player my exact location and they killed me. That … is more possible as it's harder to track. And friendships do exist. But again. What the fuck for? Can you imagine spending a year staffing. Which is genuinely a very fun if difficult role. And all you've achieved. all you've built. All the plots you're running. All of that. You put in danger by simply having some guy whom you helped, but is now pissed at whatever and he'd post a log of the staffer helping him. One day you're on top of the world. Next day you're a pariah. A traitor who abused his position of trust to harm another player. All of that over a single character who will die anyway. Characters in the game will all eventually die. Staffers are distinctly disinclined to risk their position to speed it up. The only thing that might tempt them is if you're a total fuckhead that is "ruining" the game. And if you are that fuckhead and you 'know' you're ruining your game. Then fine. Nobody is probably out to get you, but you should still fear every shadow and echo. Because it makes me feel happy and warm inside. I mean. Accuse anyone of anything. Doesn't need to be staff. Anyone. And one of the very first questions that I would ask you is "what the fuck for?" What is the motive? Why did he do that? And unless you're posting logs or some other tangible, or intangible proof. I will disbelieve that accusation if the motive is absent. I mean, you can say that the motive is "The guy's an asshole". And I wont be able to argue it. People are assholes. But assholes tend to be self serving. So the next question is what do they risk by doing it? And if they're risking … EVERYTHING to ruin some database entry that is your character. I apologize, but permit me to disbelieve. There were instances. Mentions of these forums that made me go, "Hrmmm. That's within the realm of possibility." And I've said so. Straight out. I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's false. But I can see the motivation and opportunity of it happening. Thankfully. Lately, people on these boards are a little bit more measured. If someone goes out of the way to post something completely ridiculous. They usually tend to give it one, or two extra thoughts. I was very grateful of all of you when you mostly dismissed the concepts of multiplaying. Or when you waved away that whole arm is a cult silliness. Proud of you, guys. So. Everyone are toxic. There is this assumed divide between staff and players. But keep in mind, that as of right now, every staffer except Nessalin is an ex player. Every. Single. One. There are staffers right "now" who have raged against staff as players and have been banned. Majikal is a staffer and a good one (When he stops playing fucking borderlands), but he lost plenty of karma for dumb, if somewhat hilarious reasons. But you have to admit, that there "are" people on these boards that will support, appear to believe, and glorify "anything" that is worded in a way that is anti Arm. Haw Haw Jjihardy massacred half the city by luring Meks into the city. Go jjihardy. What? Laaaame. This behavior actually "hampers" these boards. It's one singular use that benefits Arm is destroyed by this type of echo chamber circle jerking. So if you're posting something horrible about Arm, whether it's false, or true. And my activity on these boards makes you spend a little extra oomph, a little extra effort, maybe a log, or two, or at least something that doesn't make your statements eyerollingly ridiculous. Then hey, go me. Ofcourse. Let's be honest. I'm also doing it to troll the shit out of you for my own personal entertainment. PS: I'm sad Jcarter chose to ignore my request to change my forum description to Mr. NotaCop. Sigh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:49:16 GMT -5
We're all toxic. Staff come from players, but at least 'level headedness' is one of the criteria that they get picked form.
lol
Do you actually believe the things you post or are you just trolling for fun? I knew Arm staff had issues, but I've always thought that it was laziness and indifference. You're chronically wrong about everything you discuss in a way that is remarkable to watch. You are the opposite of correct as often as you are anything at all. The things you say are so far out of touch with reality on any subject -- how other games are run, how stories work, how noble societies work, the purpose of secrets in a narrative, whether everyone is 'toxic', whether arm staff are 'level headed', whether someone being mad about the kid-fucking in arm is a secret conspiracy to take the game down, what the person you're talking to is even saying -- that I cannot help but wonder if you are trolling.
But it makes sense why Arm staff has been so bad at fixing things if you're the sort of person they have at the helm. You have garbage takes on absolutely anything and everything, but you don't let that stop you from throwing yourself onto your knees to gargle balls as loudly as you can, so that everyone knows you're the proudest, most loyal supplicant of them all.
Oooph. That's pretty weak. Do you actually want to discuss this? Or are you just venting Qwerty = Blergh without rhyme and reason? I mean I can see if you can support your statements, or I can just let you do you. What do you prefer?
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