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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 11:34:07 GMT -5
www.reddit.com/r/MUD/comments/d6m9td/armageddon_mud_a_promising_game_with_unavoidable/The whole review is a pretty agreeable take IMO, but this is the quote that caught my attention: The UglyWhat drove me away from Armageddon in the end was a handful of characters who seemed to exclusively exist to pursue young female characters for sex. In Armageddon's world, humans are considered to be adults at 13, and other races are considered to be adults at whatever year would be equivalent to a 13-year-old human in their race's lifespan. Since Armageddon allows sexual roleplay, this means that theoretically, a player can get into a sexual roleplay scene with a 13-year-old character. As someone with two kids, this made me extremely uncomfortable. Although the players behind these characters are hopefully adults, and I would rather have people roleplaying these kinds of things in an online setting rather than acting it out in real life, what disturbed me was the extent to which these characters seemed to exclusively exist to pursue those kinds of relationships. It felt as if they had found their "safe place" in the world to act out their attraction to children, and were using Armageddon as that safe place rather than a place for meaningful, story-driven roleplay. Final VerdictArmageddon has a promising setting and a handful of great players keeping its dream alive, but the game is held back by a culture of indifference to new players, a hostile gap between players and staff, and an underground scene of people who use Armageddon as an outlet for sexual roleplay with child characters.
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Post by jcarter on Sept 20, 2019 11:45:57 GMT -5
In before the person is accused of being a shadowboard goblin
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -5
Well. I dont know, tbh.
I dont think it's a fake account. The guy posted something a month ago. So maybe not. At the same time, he referred to the forums as GDB, which is a pretty veteran thing to do. And of course he has no details, no descriptions, again no data at all. Which I guess is possible, but seems like such a likely story. The theme of "I have no other option, but to be vocal about it" is a well used one, even though there's plenty of other actually effective options. As long as you've got something to back up your claims by.
Add to it that Mehtastic was singing his "thirteen year kids rape" song yesterday and suddenly boom, a post about it 17 hours ago.
We'll see. If half a year passes and it's literally the "only" post he ever makes. Then I'd think it probably is a goblin. I mean, he has no reason to hide his identity. He's not an old player trying to hide his account, he just visited it and now have left. The likelyhood of a person trying out a MUD, disliking it and then creating an account "just" to talk about it is low. Not impossible! I guess we'll see if his activity on reddit continues. Who knows. Maybe someone will ask for his account and check the run logs. And if suddenly he's like, "No no. I dont feel confident giving out this information." Then yes. I will think it's a goblin. A normal tourist player would not have that problem and 'would' be interested in identifying the weirdo pedo players. I would think. No?
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Post by Jeshin on Sept 20, 2019 12:19:32 GMT -5
Since that one thread where whoever went off about pedo stuff etc etc a few years ago. My stance is always thus. If you believe there is an issue, report it to either the authorities or the groups organized to tamp down on internet pedophilia. If you want to throw in a post shouting from the mountain tops you believe something is wrong too than bully for you, but the first act should always be reporting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5
It actually "is" a problem. Whether the guy's a goblin, or not.
It's why it was forbidden to use 'child' or child related nouns for sdescs of your character. At best, you can be youth, or teenager.
The problem is that people are exploring weird fantasies. It's weird, but do staff really need to be involved? As long as it's not abusive and weird to unrelated players who are uninterested in this type of shit.
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -5
1) The website URL for the GDB is literally gdb.armageddon.org, lol. The reviewer said they were a Discord member and read the GDB, so they probably got exposed to the term and put two and two together. Should the reviewer call it a bulletin board?
2) The game has had pedophile problems for years. I've even commented on it before. It's far more likely that a MUD developer decided to try Armageddon and found it to be infested with pedos, than it is for me to pretend to be a MUD developer a month ago and then use that account to post a fake review about the game's pedophile problems. That is some galaxy brain shit if I've ever seen it.
3) The whole "critic has no details" argument is a fallacy. Whenever people provide information to people like you, the naysayers then request more and more information that a new player inevitably doesn't have or didn't think to save. It's not the reviewer's responsibility to prove their identity, it's your responsibility to stop defending the game's pedophile cult.
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 12:43:15 GMT -5
Since that one thread where whoever went off about pedo stuff etc etc a few years ago. My stance is always thus. If you believe there is an issue, report it to either the authorities or the groups organized to tamp down on internet pedophilia. If you want to throw in a post shouting from the mountain tops you believe something is wrong too than bully for you, but the first act should always be reporting. Unfortunately, a lot of anti-pedophile activist groups are riddled with problems related to false accusations. The best approach to a systemic infestation of pedophilia is to expose that system to sunlight, IMO. Reporting to law enforcement authorities on the other hand is absolutely a good solution. |
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 12:44:19 GMT -5
It actually "is" a problem. Whether the guy's a goblin, or not. It's why it was forbidden to use 'child' or child related nouns for sdescs of your character. At best, you can be youth, or teenager. The problem is that people are exploring weird fantasies. It's weird, but do staff really need to be involved? As long as it's not abusive and weird to unrelated players who are uninterested in this type of shit. clearly changing all "boy" and "girl" sdescs to "youth" solved pedophilia, well done everyone |
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Sept 20, 2019 12:47:13 GMT -5
It's weird, but do staff really need to be involved? that largely depends on whether or not staff are cool with their mud being host to weird pedo shit |
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Post by shakes on Sept 20, 2019 12:52:04 GMT -5
There are indeed pedophiles in the game and staff is aware of it. I submitted a complaint at one point about a character threatening my 'youth' character with death if I didn't perform oral sex. Which violates multiple standards the game claims to set.
The result? Nothing. Oh, except for me getting dinged later on in a karma request for 'not trusting my fellow players'.
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 12:54:27 GMT -5
There are indeed pedophiles in the game and staff is aware of it. I submitted a complaint at one point about a character threatening my 'youth' character with death if I didn't perform oral sex. Which violates multiple standards the game claims to set. The result? Nothing. Oh, except for me getting dinged later on in a karma request for 'not trusting my fellow players'. I only clicked "like" on your post because there is no "Jesus fucking Christ" button. |
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Post by tedium on Sept 20, 2019 12:58:08 GMT -5
It actually "is" a problem. Whether the guy's a goblin, or not. It's why it was forbidden to use 'child' or child related nouns for sdescs of your character. At best, you can be youth, or teenager.
This is such a stupid solution, and of course you would point to it as if it helps the problem at all.
I actually used the sdesc of 'girl' for an Arabeti, once, because I wanted to make it clear that she wasn't going to be mothering children any time soon, and wanted to RP her coming-of-age, the transition to adulthood in the Arabet, and then her eventual transition to motherhood. Staff changed it without discussing it with me, or even notifying me. One day I log in and my 13 year-old girl is now a 13 year-old "woman". Having a staffer alter your desc to make it clear that you're viable for breeding is so fucking creepy, and it does absolutely nothing to actually stop people from trying to ERP with 13-year olds.
If anything, it makes it worse, because Armageddon codedly lumps the teens together in terms of appearance. It reinforces the idea that physical viability matters more than mental capacity.
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Post by mehtastic on Sept 20, 2019 13:02:57 GMT -5
Again, no JFC button.
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Post by baobob on Sept 20, 2019 13:03:57 GMT -5
I've been playing a while. I have seen younger characters and older characters sometimes hooking up, but I haven't seen a subset of players intent on systematically hunting for that young chicken over and over and making that their outlet for weird pedo-shit.
I have seen lots of characters who are horndogs, but I haven't seen those that desperately focus on pre-pubescent characters.
Am I really missing it?
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Post by shakes on Sept 20, 2019 13:07:24 GMT -5
I've been playing a while. I have seen younger characters and older characters sometimes hooking up, but I haven't seen a subset of players intent on systematically hunting for that young chicken over and over and making that their outlet for weird pedo-shit. I have seen lots of characters who are horndogs, but I haven't seen those that desperately focus on pre-pubescent characters. Am I really missing it? Yes. I stumbled upon that world by accident too. I was told in a response that "choosing the 'andro' gender for my character was a signal that I was open for weird sexual roleplay. What I was trying to do was rp a little street thief who happened to be a young girl but was pretending to be a boy (for obvious reasons). I guess I'd watched too much GoT that month. I picked andro with the intent that I WOULDN'T get drawn into weird sexual play with a child-character I created. Instead it turned out to be a dog whistle. |
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