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Post by shakes on Feb 7, 2019 14:34:35 GMT -5
I guess I answered my own question. SOME staff are still running those plots.
Fucking Shaloonsh. What I wouldn't give to sit at his dungeon master's table where he could do whatever he wanted without restraint.
Let that imagination fly, my brother.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:36:11 GMT -5
Then, I guess, you know the answer to your question already .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:38:02 GMT -5
Yeah. Shalooonsh, man. A crazy fucker that makes the game worth playing.
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Post by jcarter on Feb 7, 2019 15:33:23 GMT -5
Heh. You know me and Shakes are having fun Jcarter? Ease up on the bile, it'll burn your throat. you're a piece of shit staffer that still associates with a team that has done numerous shitty things over the years. you're a worm that tries to police the tone of a private internet board in the whiniest and most spineless way possible. you deserve every piece of criticism you get because you're human garbage working damage control for other pieces of shit.
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Post by Jeshin on Feb 7, 2019 15:35:35 GMT -5
Shalnooosh is just as staffy as the rest of staff.
I say this with some salt because the guy had a free for all against my on the GDB when I couldn't respond and he parroted that staff line like a pro. I believe he accused me of a low conniving intellect while Nergal whined about me on Mudconnector after the wiki or code leak.
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Post by lechuck on Feb 7, 2019 15:46:44 GMT -5
1. Have staff stopped running those sorts of plots? 2. If so, why? The eldritch mystery shit? No, but these days it's centered almost exclusively around templars and Oash. You won't see it in the 'rinth, for instance. But if you play a templar, an Oash or a soldier, you occasionally get to delve into some cave and retrieve a magical artifact or whatever. But since these plots are mainly fed to characters who will keep it strictly secret, it makes no ripples whatsoever. Compare this to the undead stuff that went on in the 'rinth a decade ago which had far-reaching effects and a lot of room for player agency. The new flavor of mystique is more like an RPG quest: go to the dungeon, kill the boss, grab the magic thingy which then goes to a templar or noble and never sees the light of day again. I guess this happened because staff became more and more concerned with controlling everything players do. It's pretty safe to give a magical artifact or powerful knowledge to a templar because staff practically dictates how that role plays out. At the same time, this takes away a lot of what's exciting about these plots because templars already have immense power and already know all sorts of classified shit. It's not very interesting to hear that Lord Templar Voldemansa found the secret words that open a portal to Nilaz when spoken backwards. A lot more intriguing if a Guild boss or desert elf warlord has that type of badassery in their repertoire. But then they might get the notion to use that without strict staff supervision and that's against policy. The game was a lot more vibrant and fascinating back when these things would occur regularly for anyone who was in the right place at the right time. Someone like Shalooonsh might still do those things here and there, but by and large, it's something that has gone missing from Armageddon. While it did get a little out of hand during the Dragonthrall extravaganza (the thing that led to the Great Karma-Off), we're now in the complete opposite end of the spectrum: if your character is not closely connected with someone who has staff support, like a templar, then absolutely nothing happens and you could easily rack up 10-20 days of playtime without ever seeing anything remotely unusual or memorable. That's a huge problem because you're not supposed to play around the same people again and again. Losing sorcerers was a massive blow to the game. Those were responsible for so much of the player-level mystery and suspense. They had the freedom to involve whomever they wished, which templars and nobles don't really have, and they could operate anywhere in the world. The same can be said of full elementalists but on a considerably smaller scale. The new magick subguilds don't live up to it at all, so all the game's eldritch stuff is now centered around a small selection of sponsored characters who are obligated to include as few people as possible in these plots.
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Post by shakes on Feb 7, 2019 15:50:41 GMT -5
That's too bad, man.
I've never worked with any of those guys on that level. I've had blowups with several members of staff and with the exception of Nyr, they were always worked out amiably. But I don't get involved in any non-game stuff with them and I have completely withdrawn from the GDB.
He's given me decent, human responses to my requests related to the plots he was running. That's all we ever communicated on. He was clear as to what would happen, we set expectations for both of us, and he followed through. That's all I want from staff. In fact, if all of them did that then there probably wouldn't be any of this other shit going on.
The GDB is just an awful idea. When I have a game-related suggestion, I submit it via the request tool. I get an actual staff responding to it with a polite and well-thought out response, instead of 5 other players bashing me because it might impact their personal metagame. And I don't see the need to discuss OOC issues. I don't care about their mental issues, or their social life, or how their job is going. The people I feel I want to discuss those games with I can do it via PM or email.
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Post by jkarr on Feb 7, 2019 16:32:33 GMT -5
That's too bad, man. I've never worked with any of those guys on that level. I've had blowups with several members of staff and with the exception of Nyr, they were always worked out amiably. But I don't get involved in any non-game stuff with them and I have completely withdrawn from the GDB. He's given me decent, human responses to my requests related to the plots he was running. That's all we ever communicated on. He was clear as to what would happen, we set expectations for both of us, and he followed through. That's all I want from staff. In fact, if all of them did that then there probably wouldn't be any of this other shit going on. The GDB is just an awful idea. When I have a game-related suggestion, I submit it via the request tool. I get an actual staff responding to it with a polite and well-thought out response, instead of 5 other players bashing me because it might impact their personal metagame. And I don't see the need to discuss OOC issues. I don't care about their mental issues, or their social life, or how their job is going. The people I feel I want to discuss those games with I can do it via PM or email. yeah shit was better when there was a barebones discussion board at most because u didnt end up playing in two games if u participated in it since it was anonymous and way less personal and no weird online culture around it beyond find out ic and police ur tone u knew going there that player input ultimately was the second to last word and the best way to get answers abt what u can do in the game was from the horses mouth so why waste time listening to egos try to fluff themselves up with flawed answers to ur questions lol
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Post by shakes on Feb 7, 2019 16:36:16 GMT -5
Yeah, about half the time the responses you get on the GDB are primping for staff ... "Look how much a BETTER roleplayer I am than this scrub? Award me karma for my scathing remarks to his being concerned about game mechanics. I only care about the story and thus am deserving of more coded power."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 21:12:29 GMT -5
1. Have staff stopped running those sorts of plots? 2. If so, why? The eldritch mystery shit? No, but these days it's centered almost exclusively around templars and Oash. You won't see it in the 'rinth, for instance. But if you play a templar, an Oash or a soldier, you occasionally get to delve into some cave and retrieve a magical artifact or whatever.
Shakes own experiences counterdict these statements, do they not?
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Post by shakes on Feb 7, 2019 21:28:06 GMT -5
He wouldn't know. I haven't shared them. But I'll state for the cheap seats that I was a complete mundane who got involved in some cool, eldritch shit and there was no Oash or soldiers involved. The only Templar involved was the one who wanted "it" for themselves but I had "it". Nyah nyah nyah, Templar. I think a lot of people underestimate staff's willingness to let you fail spectacularly and to make sure you have some fun doing it. I've seen them let me run with some seriously crazy shit and play along. All I ever see Oash doing is spam-collecting poisons with their gemmers. They really aren't what they used to be. That noble Robel Oash REALLY came out of the gate strong and he had some crazy shit going down awhile back but it's kind of died down. He reminds me of that old noble Jordel Borsail (that the name?) who was just a murderous maniac. God I loved that crazy fucker. I hope the Oash nobles pick their pace back up and get a little crazy too. The Templars ... there's too many of them and a couple of the older ones have just won Armageddon. They literally have gone to a point where they have destroyed all their enemies and there's nothing left for them to do. I find that incredibly sad. The game deserves better than NPC raider heads spiked outside of the Gaj. I've tried, but I just lack the longevity and staying power that it takes to become that sort of villain. I'll keep trying. We need a new supervillain. I hope we see one soon. EDIT: I started to delete some of that but I'm going to leave it. Let me just point out that I've never played a noble or a Templar and I don't know what their goals or limitations are. I don't mean to criticize anyone past or present, particularly when I haven't walked in their shoes. I love crazy. I love large bloodbaths and wild, unhinged plots that spiral far out of control in violent, public fashion. I want more of that all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:20:57 GMT -5
Ironically. One of the Templars and the Borsail whom you liked are played by the same person . Though I wouldnt say they 'won' armageddon. I think they sort of won by default, because all the other templars were either weak, or most importantly had low playtimes. While the more succesfull Templar is pretty damn prolific. Doesnt mean they won Armageddon still. History is known of times when a new noble/templar shows up and while everyone around them have seniority, manages to overcome it, trump the opponents, sneak/steal/attrition the connections, and come out on top.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:25:07 GMT -5
He wouldn't know. I haven't shared them.
You know. In truth, this is in part why I began talking about that whole, "You havent read it, dont shit on it." spiel earlier in this thread. It is so common on these forums where people shittalk, because others do, or because it's the "theme" of the boards. While having zero actual information. They do it just because.
It was actually kind of fun to observe this dude who showed up here recently. He didnt play for a long time, but then his wife tried playing it. So he's prowling these forums. A self admitted twink, who didnt mind a little leg up, some IC info sharing, a little cheating. But without the jaded biased, illogical negativity in his soul. He was sooo different, then so many others who participate here. It was fun to see the difference. Taught me a lot. Wonder what happened to him and his wife.
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Post by shakes on Feb 7, 2019 22:58:55 GMT -5
Ironically. One of the Templars and the Borsail whom you liked are played by the same person . Though I wouldnt say they 'won' armageddon. I think they sort of won by default, because all the other templars were either weak, or most importantly had low playtimes. While the more succesfull Templar is pretty damn prolific. Doesnt mean they won Armageddon still. History is known of times when a new noble/templar shows up and while everyone around them have seniority, manages to overcome it, trump the opponents, sneak/steal/attrition the connections, and come out on top. Now that you say it, I can totally see them being the same person. They have a lot of the same style, but in different characters. I have kudo'd them both multiple times. I think the Templar has won because he has outlasted all of his enemies. MAYBE one of these new Templars will outsnake him. I have seen both of them at work thus far and I'm doubting it. He's a victim of his own success. And the rub of it is he really hasn't even put in extra effort to go out and gank his enemies. He let me go multiple times when I was in his clutches to let the plot develop. With multiple characters! He's done a lot to foster the creation of new villains. It just hasn't happened yet. He has been the rock that they broke their ships upon, rather than going out and snuffing out villains in their infancy before they can threaten him. He just has no Amon, no Tusk, no strong criminal opposition, and is reduced to killing NPC raiders and resolving panty-making disputes for Kadius. We have got to get that guy a strong nemesis before he stores.
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Post by jkarr on Feb 7, 2019 23:30:50 GMT -5
He just has no Amon, no Tusk, no strong criminal opposition, and is reduced to killing NPC raiders and resolving panty-making disputes for Kadius. We have got to get that guy a strong nemesis before he stores. amon the crimson raider leader is dead huh well no wonder theres no antagonists from everything i heard it was his guys and animated gith that were the only constant menace the last couple of years
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