mehtastic
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Post by mehtastic on Jul 13, 2018 10:56:54 GMT -5
Well. Seems like Whistleblower faked the whole sending the report thing. I think it's logical to say, that the whole thing is all fake. Why so quick to sweep this under the rug?
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Post by seuly on Jul 13, 2018 12:59:44 GMT -5
I have played quite a few MUDs in the last couple of decades and harassment exists of the sexual and nonsexual persuasion. I have received unsolicited dick pics, unwelcome romantic advances and 'offers', I have been stalked, I have been threatened, I have experienced various forms of toxic, emotional manipulation. I have experienced this both online and offline by Players and by Staff Members of Armageddon and of other MUDs. I have reported it in the past. Do I need to paste these instances to you? Hell no.
While Whistleblower may or may not have been 100% honest, I do not know, but to discount the entire problem to be all 'fake news' is ridiculous and ignorant. These things happen and there is no excuse for it. What sucks is if Whistleblower was making it up, it greatly damages the next player's chance of being believed who steps forward. It makes victims afraid to speak out and the truth gets lost and more victims get made.
To believe that Admin is not aware of what type of person Shalooonsh is is a mistake. They know. He has a long history of harassing players and Staff members. They chose to put him back on Staff despite that heavy history of abuse.
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Post by shakes on Jul 13, 2018 13:40:40 GMT -5
Yesterday I logged on to the main Discord, just seeing if they were discussing classes again, but they weren't. It was 99% non-Armageddon chat for 2 days, with the sole exception of someone mocking someone else's bio they had to approve. Publicly posting the whole bio.
How would a newbie feel if he found the discord and saw his bio being held up to public ridicule?
There's some professionalism problems on staff. Some think professional behavior need not apply because it's not a business, but I disagree. You have a group activity you wish others to participate in.
I've been involved in muds for decades as well, and I've never seen this sort of thing happen anywhere but Armageddon. Other muds had MINOR drama, but never this sort of thing. I've only had ONE interaction with Shalooonsh and he was needlessly harsh and, I believe, in the wrong, but there were no dick pics or sexual harassment involved.
I just feel if accusations this heavy are going to be leveled, because these are the nuclear options as far as accusations go, then they should come with proof. Especially considering that it could actually even be criminal behavior he's being accused of, if the individuals happen to be minors, or if it's a state or nation with some of the more rigid cyberstalking laws. Being rude or non-professional may be bad for a group enterprise, but it's not criminal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 15:01:12 GMT -5
Well. Seems like Whistleblower faked the whole sending the report thing. I think it's logical to say, that the whole thing is all fake. Why so quick to sweep this under the rug?
Whistleblower's claim got pretty much sleuthed out to be completely fake on Reddit. He/she made a mistake of providing a tiny bit of data. If it was real, it would've proven some things, or made some good things happen. But he/she posted a fake one, which got pretty quickly sussed out. Made her whole case to be questionable.
At this moment. Whistleblower might as well be you, Mehtastic. Out for some smear campaigning.
I kid ... mostly. But in reality there is a tiny bit of correlation. Arm have wronged a shitton of people. Shakes recently posted about his unjust banning. Amanda have posted a log of some despicable imm interaction towards her. Lots of people did it, all in all. They posted here and left, or they posted here and stuck around for some conversation. Or they posted here, and stuck around for a 'lot' of conversation. Sometimes a topic of Arm raises in some other forum and if those people are active participants of these forums, they pitch in and add their negative, or positive experiences about the game.
You, mehtastic though are a little different.
You as a profile got created recently. Clearly you've been around a long time, but this exact profile is a recent creation. And the very first act after your creation was to post a leaked code. Then, someone supposedly (I personally believe that) tried to suss out your identity via some IP tracking stuff. It's a little meh in terms of morality, but you did post a leaked code as a brand new profile. But okey. They tried, they got caught. Here's where difference in activity happens. Most people here would post about Armageddon screw ups here. You though, are acting out on a wiiiiide platform. Whatever negativity stuff you've got to post, you post everywhere. You post here. Then you post on Reddit. Then you post on Mudconnect. Maybe even other places that I didnt check? And never as a forum profile that actually has some backstory. That have posted on other unrelated issue. Brand new, anonymous account, specifically aimed on one and one thing only - Armageddon. You're like a guided missile. Mehtastic profile created solely to Fuck Armageddon Up. None of that 'Arm will die soon, it has to' bullshit. More of 'I'm going to fucking destroy Armageddon by any means possible and then piss on it's grave' type of activity. All of this stuff is coinciding with other shit that suddenly happened.
A blatant vote inflation bot got Armageddon removed from voting on TMC and TMS.
Major Code Leak.
A fake sexual harassment accusation from a 0 history Forum Profile.
Potentially other stuff that I didnt pay attention to?
Interesting enough. This forum profile sexual harassment case has a curious property. It 'too' is going around between forums, posting this stuff. If one post gets locked, he/she moves to another one. Still no logs, no effort to prove anything. Just the basic he said/she said stuff. Also a 0 post profile. Also revolving around only one thing - Armageddon. In truth, as of now, the only person I'm aware of 'that' dedicated of "Spreading the word of Arm Suckiness" is you, Mehtastic.
I dont have any proof. And in all honesty, you do what you like. But I'm definitely feeling a shift from "Armageddon sucks. It's going to die soon and maybe hopefully some more worthy mud will show up" to "Armageddon must be destroyed. And if things are going to improve, I am going to fuck it back down into the gutter. It is going to BURRRN, motherfucker."
An information and misinformation assault. No longer about showing people abuses from staff and making what they try to keep unknown public. But more about fucking shit up, by any moral, immoral, real, false, legal, or illegal method available.
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Post by shakes on Jul 13, 2018 15:10:29 GMT -5
Meanwhile, destroying the relevancy of what could otherwise be a useful and interesting place to discuss the game outside of the GDB echo chamber or the discord cat fest.
We would be better served without the bullshit. And I don't think it even serves the cause that the instigators believe it is serving. There are PLENTY of legitimate complaints about Armageddon. Post your review and be done with it. You've had your say and people can then decide for themselves. Posting false information taints ALL information. In the same way that the deluge of sycophantic "I love you" posts on the GDB makes legitimate praise somewhat hard to give.
I feel that Armageddon is pretty much going to suffer dearly for falling out of the top 10 on the connector lists. I don't think most people search for a theme anymore, but rather just look for "what's popular". Myself, I want an enjoyable theme that is ALSO popular.
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Post by jcarter on Jul 13, 2018 16:52:31 GMT -5
And the very first act after your creation was to post a leaked code. Then, someone supposedly (I personally believe that) tried to suss out your identity via some IP tracking stuff. It's a little meh in terms of morality, but you did post a leaked code as a brand new profile. But okey. They tried, they got caught. Here's where difference in activity happens. the pixel tracking wasn't just targeted at mehtastic . he received a PM from angrygortok which included a tracking pixel. When I went to suss out any other accounts with it in there by adding in a word filter, shik had the same logging type link in their signature. shik 's last login was in 2017. this has been going on for at minimum a year before the code was leaked.
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Post by mehtastic on Jul 13, 2018 16:54:27 GMT -5
@qwerty
You should share what you're smoking with the rest of the class.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 17:18:33 GMT -5
And the very first act after your creation was to post a leaked code. Then, someone supposedly (I personally believe that) tried to suss out your identity via some IP tracking stuff. It's a little meh in terms of morality, but you did post a leaked code as a brand new profile. But okey. They tried, they got caught. Here's where difference in activity happens. the pixel tracking wasn't just targeted at mehtastic . he received a PM from angrygortok which included a tracking pixel. When I went to suss out any other accounts with it in there by adding in a word filter, shik had the same logging type link in their signature. shik 's last login was in 2017. this has been going on for at minimum a year before the code was leaked.
I stand corrected. Doesnt change much of my point though. And I'm smoking some really proper shit.
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Post by shakes on Jul 13, 2018 17:20:40 GMT -5
I'm just gonna say, Cotton Candy Sativa is my smoke of choice.
Leafly it, baby. It'll change your world.
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Post by mehtastic on Jul 13, 2018 19:44:35 GMT -5
the pixel tracking wasn't just targeted at mehtastic . he received a PM from angrygortok which included a tracking pixel. When I went to suss out any other accounts with it in there by adding in a word filter, shik had the same logging type link in their signature. shik 's last login was in 2017. this has been going on for at minimum a year before the code was leaked.
I stand corrected. Doesnt change much of my point though. And I'm smoking some really proper shit.
I'm finding it difficult to determine what your point actually is. Your post reads like the paranoid ramblings of someone deep into Armageddon. Your statements are the things sycophants tell each other to assure themselves that they are, in fact not at fault; rather, all of Armageddon's problems are due to the constant and rightful criticism it receives and the negative press it gets. Maybe Armageddon's problem is not that its critics are unfair, but that the game is a steaming pile of dog shit. I would have expected to be called out for accidentally posting this thread in the Class Discussion subforum before being framed as some sort of propaganda machine.
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 14, 2018 0:36:48 GMT -5
Brief aside here but...
TLDR - Posting to places other than GDB, Jcarter board makes sense if you goal is not to convince the already biased.
While I personally have always kept my Armageddon complaints confined to the community (except when they crop up elsewhere by other people) there is no requirement to do so by all posters. If you believe there are complaints or scandals or issues or whatever there is no guideline that you post to the GDB or here exclusively. Arguably both audiences are mostly convinced of their current positions and in one you will encounter staff censorship or player pushback. Player pushback is the more legitimate form of disagreement in my opinion. Here you may encounter an echo chamber of like minds with mild pushback of people not liking bullshit.
If your objective is to bring wider awareness and pressure to the game to reform or at least inform others than it would behoove you to post to popular MUD discussion platforms like TMC and Reddit. You do take a credibility hit when you do this though because people will naturally claim you are smearing the game and maybe you are (royal you not Mehtastic).
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Post by mehtastic on Jul 14, 2018 10:04:54 GMT -5
If you talk to people who are active in the general MUD community at all, they will admit that Armageddon has had many horrible stories swirling around it for years, if not decades. The people in the know have already come to a consensus about the game having a lot of issues. Many of these stories stretch the bounds of morality, if not legality. People like them aren't surprised that a story like this about the game would come up. They don't need convincing that Armageddon is bad; they already know. There is simply no smearing left to be done for Armageddon. It's been in the gutter for years.
Additionally, pretending that there is a burden of proof in any argument surrounding Armageddon is laughable. I provided proof of pixel tracking in the form of screenshots and Armageddon's valiant defenders called them fake. The people asking whistleblower for screenshots just want more material to invalidate.
Have her file a police report instead. If she's telling the truth, the right people get in trouble for it. If she isn't, then she gets in trouble. Pretty simple. Maybe she already has, who knows. I don't love pretending to swing a bone sword around so much to call a possible victim of harassment a liar.
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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Jul 23, 2018 1:45:55 GMT -5
whether true or false though, one thing i will point to is that kronibas raised concerns multiple times about an adult female staff member giving him alcohol and then taking his clothes off and putting women's close on him at a APM when he was 16 years old. for whatever reason, that didn't gain nearly enough attention as a random accuser saying malifaxis creeped on her over the internet. maybe because it's male predator vs female predator, but frankly it's pretty gross that a staff member got an unaccompanied minor blackout drunk and then took off their clothes. Kronibas here. The closest I've felt to the MeToo thing or whatever, from the male side, was when Vanth (who did steal my weed at an APM, probably the worst thing that happened at one to me) came on to me on AIM, I rejected it, and, then, when she came onto staff, she took away most of my karma for using Nilazi spells to travel between apartments AFTER trying to kill the char ICly, which she didn't succeed in. So, I wasn't interested in a female staffer who came on to me, in fact blocking her from AIM along with lots of other Armers in an attempt to get away from OOC bullshit, and then she used a bullshit excuse to take away most of my 8 karma. Obviously, there was OOC prejudice. I'll die believing that. Like I've written before, Nyr actually restored most of that karma despite overtly hating me and telling me I'd never play in one of his clans again. If he hated me that much but still recognized how fucked/biased Vanth's decision was, well, it says a lot. I did point out the minor thing, but, eh, it wasn't bad at APMs. I mainly pointed it out to say, hey, you guys are fucking with me over brow-beating shit when there are actual problems you could work on, like minors depicting graphic sexual acts with adults, which is uhh probably illegal or something. Anyway, yes, I feel like I suffered OOCly in a very significant way (taking away all the karma I'd been building up since I was a fucking child) because I wasn't interested in Vanth, and she held a grudge and arbitrarily went after me, first ICly, and when the weak ass Nilazi managed to run away from two HG animated NPCS, OOCly . Is that a MeToo example? Vanth's further behavior on a Facebook Arm group in the wake of all that shit demonstrated without question that I was right. The group's probably still open. Go look at that ridiculous shit she wrote when she was no longer on staff about that entire deal; it doesn't get any more revealing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 1:53:03 GMT -5
To be honest, I'd be curious to read it.
Vanth was so long ago and was so unremarkable, I dont even really remember her. I remember those before her and those after her, but Vanth. Not really.
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Post by yourvisiongoesblack on Jul 23, 2018 2:19:45 GMT -5
It was a long time ago, but the punishment stuck in part for the rest of the time I played Arm, intensifying to banning/dropping me to no karma when I first posted on these forums after bringing it up to Nyr again.
She was obviously biased because I shunned her advances - it shows clearly in those Facebook groups - but the punishment stuck for literally years and years and years.
I never thought it was fair.
Now, there are somewhat clear guidelines regarding karma to prevent that kinda shit, which is Good, but I think that OOC grudges/biases will always arise unless actively fought against. There's not much to be done if you pissed off a staff member 7 years ago and they decided from that moment out that they hate your fucking guts. Try to tell me it doesn't happen, too.
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