I'm pointing out to you, that staff isn't above doing questionable things. I also pointed out why people sometimes step out of the shadows to say something, even if it happened a while ago. No, I'm making perfect sense, it's just not making sense to you.
I also pointed out that yes, someone on staff can do awesome things and still do something stupid. You're all about he did awesome things, he's awesome. No he's human, he could've done what that poster said. So...why him? Why single him out for that if there's no grain of truth to it?
I'm also pointing out, no you don't need a log to say something happened. This isn't a dark conspiracy, this is someone fucked up. I personally am not calling for him to step down.
This really isn't that hard. You keep saying where's the proof? That might work on the GDB or with staff...or somewhere. That seems to be your thing and that's cool and all. I get it, I really do. But you seem to forget we're talking about an environment where people don't talk about things and when someone does it's quickly removed.
I had a three year old once. He asked "why" to everything. Eventually, he got to the point where he would ask "why" just to piss people off. That's similar to what you're doing here with your prove its. My three year old grew up. Time for you to do the same.
Let me know if you need clarification on anything else.
There is something stupid, and there is "using Staff ability and powers to harasss someone sexually on an OOC level" Those two are entirely different things.
Something stupid is being a dick in a request tool, or TPKing someone, or misreading a situation and heavy-handing players. That's stupid.
The sexual harassment and punishment when a player chooses not to participate in sexual acts from a staff member is not stupid. That's abominable. And it 'does' deserve a closer look at. To either see whether, or not Whistleblower is just a troll profile ment to damage Arm's and Loonsh's reputation. Or that Loonsh really did do all these things. And for these things, you 'do' need logs to achieve any kind of result. Because otherwise it's he said/she said, and credibility is a factor.
What I keep trying to point out to you is we've been around long enough to know, that it is still possible. It doesn't have to have been on Arm, but these things occur in MUDS all the time. Sometimes people get too close, one person feels a certain type of way about the other and they start doing things they shouldn't have. It could've happened the one time, it could've happened multiple times. It just happens on many games and Arm is not exempt to that kind of behavior. You're absolutely right...it couldn't have happened at all.
All the story is saying is they had mudsex a couple of times. He included her in his little RP group, then she stopped having mudsex with him and then she got excluded from the RP group. Then he started harassing her. I don't know about you, but I've heard many, many similar stories over the years. I've even heard worse than that. It's plausible.
You like the guy, he's a likeable guy. He's a good staff member. He's your friend, you know him or whatever...or you don't. You're defending him, that's great. At the end of the day, you don't know what happens between two people in private or in emails or chats. It's plausible. I'm not trying to smear this guy's name. That's why I'm raising the question, why him though? A good deal of staff are men, why him?
If you think about it, nobody said "Me Too!" I've never had an interaction with the guy as staff. Would this story color my opinion of him? No, but if he started trying to communicate with me offline, all kinds of red flags would pop up. It's a story....just let it be a story.
Such things as the catholic church behavior over pedo-priests, the penn-state pedo, bill cosby, and the video evidence against racist cops these years past has changed my opinion on how proof should operate.
Where you are skeptical of the words of a supposed victim or people with low post count, I am skeptical of any group/organization that engages in hide and deny. The burden of proof is on arm staff that they take these accusations seriously and do not support this type of behavior. This is not he said/she said. This is a case of she says, they keep quiet and wait for it to go away. Shine a light on it.
#MeToo isn't just about individual events - it is that we are a society that jumps to conclusions about sexual assault/racism victims. Most of you picked which side you believe and started manufacturing reasons inside your head as soon as you heard the accusation. Hell, it's funny to read the fantasies you create saying why you "believe or don't believe" something.
As much as I hope they change society, #MeToo is not my fight because I'm the wrong demographic. I put this here because if you do casually throw away some person's accusation of sexual harassment with no proof either way then you should take a long hard look at yourself. You are why victims stay silent and abusers get away with their behavior.
You're a pedophile and goat-raper.
Now the onus is on you to prove otherwise. Otherwise, let's all just ignore the words of this pedophilic goat-raper.
whether true or false though, one thing i will point to is that kronibas raised concerns multiple times about an adult female staff member giving him alcohol and then taking his clothes off and putting women's close on him at a APM when he was 16 years old.
for whatever reason, that didn't gain nearly enough attention as a random accuser saying malifaxis creeped on her over the internet. maybe because it's male predator vs female predator, but frankly it's pretty gross that a staff member got an unaccompanied minor blackout drunk and then took off their clothes.
If I had to take a guess, I would agree with the male vs. female predator issue, and also suggest it has to do with a difference between former staff and current staff. There's also the issue of time, and people find it harder to care about something that happened a long time ago. Kronibas's experience is really bad, but this situation happens to be very current.
Personally, I believe whistleblower's story. There's no definitive proof of what happened, but I've seen and heard enough stories from enough people that sound the same and are about the same person over the years. Either most of them are telling the truth or most of them are lying. The former just seems more likely.
i'm inclined to believe nathvaan, as if he's lying OP could very easily refute it with a simple screenshot.
edit: although it may not actually be nathvaan posting, as it's a newly registered account and this is the only post from it. either way, a screenshot could resolve it easily.
I didn’t even see that thread on reddit. I think it was him, staff has been making a big push to present the idea that the game has changed. So they’ve been responding to certain things in other forums in a staff capacity. Which is progress for them...I guess.
What I’m interested in knowing is when did all of this happen? From reading the story today again. It looks like she’s saying this all happened while he was a player, not staff.
Weird the reaction though. At least my own reaction.
While I wasn't ready to publicly condemn the guy, at least part of me was willing to say "he might have did it because his forum personality is really abrasive".
Being a jerk isn't a crime, or I'd be serving life with no parole. But what is it about our nature that we tend to so easily believe accusations of misconduct when directed at either authority figures or someone who is abrasive?
mehtastic: Sure, but you don't actually know for sure if it's the player, or someone else inspired by the player's style. Staff know for sure, 100% of the time, who is playing whom. That's the difference.
Sept 5, 2019 10:53:34 GMT -5
delerak: the player base for arm has alwayus been small overall. it is almost guarnateed if you sort the memberlist for the gdb by posts the top 10-20 posters have been or currently are on staff with alternate names.
Sept 5, 2019 11:37:11 GMT -5
delerak: it's nice to be 'anonymous' in game though. players will absolutely go after you if they know you got them before in years gone byt
Sept 5, 2019 11:37:55 GMT -5
qwerty: While proooobably true
Sept 5, 2019 12:40:31 GMT -5
qwerty: I try not to think this way. A bit of a self delusion potentially, but it makes it for a much better gameplay
Sept 5, 2019 12:40:47 GMT -5
qwerty: If you just stop thinking about all the ooc bullshit and just fucking play the game
Sept 5, 2019 12:41:01 GMT -5
qwerty: and if someone is unexplainably hostile to you for no good reason. Chalk it off to being an asshole and slit their throat
Sept 5, 2019 12:41:42 GMT -5
qwerty: All in all, in my observation. OOC relativity comes about cliques, then hostility. As in, players might not care if you offed their previous character. But they might like and include another PC whom they talk to more often ooc.
Sept 5, 2019 12:42:44 GMT -5
qwerty: But again. You cant control it. Cant prove it. The nagging suspicion will ruin your gameplay. I just try not to worry about it and react to the gameworld events as if there is no ooc influence. Doing anything else makes for a really shitty experience
Sept 5, 2019 13:01:26 GMT -5
qwerty: You cant stop people from talking ooc. And if people talk ooc, it's bound to happen that they cooperate ooc. Or ... or not. But you wont know and therefore, you'll suspect. And this suspicion will kill the game for you.
Sept 5, 2019 17:46:21 GMT -5
qwerty: 4/5 times someone rages against staff, staff had nothing to do with it. It's just number one suspicion people go to.
Sept 5, 2019 17:47:19 GMT -5
mehtastic: Ignorance is bliss.
Sept 5, 2019 17:50:44 GMT -5
delerak: I recently accused staff of some nonsense. They showed me the log and I felt embarrassed. It's hard to shake the paranoia of days gone by when you were slayed by staff for going afk and using a script to forage wood.
Sept 5, 2019 18:32:02 GMT -5
jkarr: look east. near: agafari forest. far: agafari forest. very far: the ghost of halaster is here grinning evilly
Sept 5, 2019 22:30:43 GMT -5