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Post by OT on Apr 7, 2016 19:12:36 GMT -5
Like I said, we looked for him for a month and were able to find him in public twice. If he was in the Red's at some point when I wasn't online, I can't account for that. He was by no means a regular fixture in public.
You sound really petulant and defensive about it.
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king
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Post by king on Apr 7, 2016 19:20:30 GMT -5
I'm pointing out that there are opposite views on different nobles and templars. To echo the GDBers, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your idea of contributing to the game world is twinking up backstab and then stabbing characters to see the after-effects. When these after-effects aren't to your liking, you whine and store.
This log is you pressing backstab, entering a pre-written emote, taking rings, and then pressing hide.
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Post by king on Apr 7, 2016 19:23:03 GMT -5
I just want to comment on some of the occurrences mentioned. I'll preface this by saying that I'm not staff but I do have a good relationship with them. Kudos to Newtwink on the FLAWLESS VICTORY. I'm going go out on a limb and suggest that the general forum has it backwards. It's players that stagnate the game, not staff. And I'll tell you why I think that. The current social order of Allanak is dominated by a handful of players, nobles and templars. And I would describe the current crop as less than satisfactory. I've been watching from the sidelines and these guys are some of the most horrendous white knights that I have ever encountered in armageddon. I thought Quoriya's Tuluk was bad. But Allanak at the moment takes the cake. And I hate to say this, but I find Timotheo to be the prime offender here. Along with the rent-a-templars he loves to swoop in and kill anyone with half a plot for no better reason than to overreact to conflict in gameworld. He does it with assassins, backroom killings and mages. Don't get me wrong, he's supr gud @ rp. But the same could be said for Quoriya or Gin and Quick. And in my personal opinion this is what happened to Valorisk. He tried to generate conflict, he tried to kickstart the cold war between Oash and Borsail. But the white knights came in and rode all over him for it. It's not just Valorisk. I've been watching this happen for the last year and a half.And so Allanak is stagnate. Anyone that is even mildly subversive is killed. The happy snowflakes thrive. And nobody can figure why in all fuck the game is so boring right now. This post basically sums up my feelings on Allanak.
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Displaced Tuluki
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Post by OT on Apr 7, 2016 19:27:45 GMT -5
I'm pointing out that there are opposite views on different nobles and templars. To echo the GDBers, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your idea of contributing to the game world is twinking up backstab and then stabbing characters to see the after-effects. When these after-effects aren't to your liking, you whine and store. This log is you pressing backstab, entering a pre-written emote, taking rings, and then pressing hide. I played a professional assassin, with about 30 days spent in the Guild. The character was hired to assassinate someone. You simply seem unable to cope with the idea, and are personally upset about the death of the character, so you attribute all kinds of unfounded negative intent to me even though you don't know the first thing about the plot. 33+ days played is not enough to justify master backstab? Being literally on contract to assassinate a character isn't sufficient reason to kill them? An emote that reflects the statistically improbable result, and comes 10 seconds after the act, is somehow pre-written? Nah, you're petulant and defensive, and ignorant and presumptuous. On ignore you go.
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king
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Post by king on Apr 7, 2016 19:34:29 GMT -5
lol, what a whiny little bitch. Don't worry, I'm sure your assassin contributed more to the game than Valorisk did.
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OT
Displaced Tuluki
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Post by OT on Apr 7, 2016 19:37:13 GMT -5
What an absolute imbecile.
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slink
staff puppet account
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Post by slink on Apr 7, 2016 19:54:54 GMT -5
I don't blame newtwink for playing his part. Anyone who has played an assassin knows that an assassin contract is about as rare as steel in Zalanthas.
I've said my piece, I'm going to bow out.
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Post by sirra on Apr 7, 2016 20:13:42 GMT -5
He's dead? I'm not sure how I feel about that. You also have master backstab. Don't be too hard on the mul for twinking. Edit: Last time I played in the Guild, you weren't allowed to touch protected factions that paid dues like Noble Houses. If staff did animate for your success, they'd probably backhand you for doing it. Or am I missing something about the plot? Sorry, but that's bullshit. Getting backstab to master is a piece of cake without being a twink. And a KARMA ZERO human assassin has vastly lower expectations than a karma 7 mul. With great power comes great responsibility. And yes, a disturbing number of muls are just shitheel staff pets, or else the first alt a staffer makes. It's easier for a normal person to have their application accepted to be an immortal on Arm, than for your random application for a mul (if you're not karma 7 already).
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Post by king on Apr 7, 2016 20:19:16 GMT -5
I don't know how to explain to you that assassins rarely create conflict. They more often than not just squash it. Your posts come off like you thought you were going to be doing the dull and increasingly tedious city of Allanak a favor when you started playing again, like you were gracing the masses with your presence.
The only reason there was a contract on his head was because he was trying to promote conflict in the first place. Every time somebody comes to do so, nobles like Timotheo wrongly conclude that instead of engaging in political warfare, you need to find a master backstab assassin to quell it. Staff does need to involve themselves, but if you let the characters of players like that breathe, you'd find a far more interesting city.
No, your assassin -did- have reason to kill him. I'm not refuting that. You were an assassin. I'm just saying that if you thought you were doing Allanak a favor OOC, shaking it up by stifling the actual tremor, you really weren't. After a long string of nobles that spent their time sexing each other senselessly and basically doing nothing until they inevitably stored, one came along and tried to reignite the fires of conflict between Oash and Borsail.
At the end of the day, it wasn't Timotheo or his cohorts that created a situation which allowed for this plot. One that seems to have been mildly entertaining for a jaded player like you. It was Valorisk.
Once his death is more of a distant memory, they'll go back to expectantly waiting for staff to make things happen for them. Timotheo's player will shift his playtimes and become rarer and rarer, as he usually does, but I'm sure he and the other white knights of Allanak will throw a pointless party or two while waiting for staff's next plot.
Timotheo is fine at RPing the typical Fale socialite - in fact, he does it very well. Not much else. You see, while you don't think Valorisk contributed much to the game and his player was longing for death, I think the same thing about Timotheo.
I guess I am a little petulant, and even a little defensive of the players you so often call out in your occasional rant about the current state of affairs. I see you whining about staff doing nothing and how terrible the game is, saying you decided to store and think the game's truly dead, all after -you- and Timotheo fucking killed a big source of conflict in the city. Congratulations.
Edit: And now I'm going to bow out, too.
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punished ppurg
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Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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Post by punished ppurg on Apr 7, 2016 20:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by tektolnes on Apr 7, 2016 21:08:19 GMT -5
King - even though I can agree with your premise (a steaming pile of long-lived, lets-all-get-along noobs are inhabiting the upper echelons of the game power seats, and simply killing someone squashes conflict instead of creating it), I'm not sure I see your point... Newtwink was playing an assassin in a criminal organization. Someone paid him to assassinate someone. He did it. It would actually be completely OOC for him NOT to have done it under most circumstances. In doing so did he squash someone who was "creating plots" (by killing a bunch of other PCs, from the sounds of it...)? Probably. But I'm going to go with BLAME THE WHITE KNIGHT WHO PAID HIM TO DO IT, not the criminal that carried it out. I do think that newtwink's post came off a little whiny. Yeah, staff weren't helping you out, but it doesn't sound like they were hindering you either. (Guess Valorisk wasn't a Nyr alt, amirite?) If you wanted to leave because you weren't fulfilled, that's your choice. Tip of the hat for keeping your employer quiet though! I know that must be hard with king spouting bad guesses like a broken faucet.
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Post by tektolnes on Apr 7, 2016 21:10:21 GMT -5
More likely Brand.
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Apr 7, 2016 21:31:13 GMT -5
I don't know how to explain to you that assassins rarely create conflict. They more often than not just squash it. Your posts come off like you thought you were going to be doing the dull and increasingly tedious city of Allanak a favor when you started playing again, like you were gracing the masses with your presence. The only reason there was a contract on his head was because he was trying to promote conflict in the first place. Every time somebody comes to do so, nobles like Timotheo wrongly conclude that instead of engaging in political warfare, you need to find a master backstab assassin to quell it. Staff does need to involve themselves, but if you let the characters of players like that breathe, you'd find a far more interesting city. um 1 hes not responsible for the fact that his kill didnt generate conflict 2 the 'killing ppl doesnt create conflict' card is not at all a rule and just illustrates ur own bias against ppl with potential ohk power successfully using it
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Post by sirra on Apr 7, 2016 21:36:00 GMT -5
I don't know how to explain to you that assassins rarely create conflict. They more often than not just squash it. Your posts come off like you thought you were going to be doing the dull and increasingly tedious city of Allanak a favor when you started playing again, like you were gracing the masses with your presence. He was doing the city a bigger favor than most staff ever have. Which might not be saying a lot, but it's saying something. And of course the staff are going to be defended by the same cadre of either naive newbies or diehards that always crop up to defend staff. Until they either become staffers themselves (Hay guyz, we're hiring, AGAIN!) or end up posting their own bitter experiences in a few months. Or even more likely? Just fade away.
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Post by sirra on Apr 7, 2016 21:42:24 GMT -5
I just want to comment on some of the occurrences mentioned. I'll preface this by saying that I'm not staff but I do have a good relationship with them. Kudos to Newtwink on the FLAWLESS VICTORY. I'm going go out on a limb and suggest that the general forum has it backwards. It's players that stagnate the game, not staff. And I'll tell you why I think that. The current social order of Allanak is dominated by a handful of players, nobles and templars. And I would describe the current crop as less than satisfactory. I've been watching from the sidelines and these guys are some of the most horrendous white knights that I have ever encountered in armageddon. I thought Quoriya's Tuluk was bad. But Allanak at the moment takes the cake. I used to feel this way too, until I realized that the vast majority of players who have the most stagnating effect (the white knights you mentioned) are those either played by staff alts, or are staff friends. Who do I characterize as a staff friend? If you regularly spend time jerking off with them on skype, going to meet them IRL, and commiserating with them about how shitty the rest of us are. Those are the people that ruined Armageddon. They couldn't resist infecting a good game with a good premise with their OOC cliques and sad lives. Armageddon was a much better place when the majority of players/staff were just there to have fun, not because they had nowhere else to be (Nyr, Adhira, Ness et all).
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