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Post by jcarter on Feb 23, 2016 14:44:48 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about the wiki's game-related information, it's all about the imm's contact info here. In case you forgot there are psychotics playing this game. Maybe you forgot. If I were on staff I would be fucking pissed at this. And yes, it was "taken down in 20 minutes." Hah. I'm sure nobody got to it, nobody saved it, and nobody's planning on distributing it at a future time. You really want that to hang over our staffer's heads for the next few years? Why would you try to blow off something that is not about the game at all, but a personal attack? I can see the panic in your posts, jcarter. Don't worry. All will be right in the end. oh ok
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Post by jcarter on Feb 23, 2016 16:36:52 GMT -5
i'm gonna follow-up post here the chat CCP and I had in the shoutbox. for 10+ years, armageddon mud has maintained the addresses, DOB, RL names, and phone numbers of some current and former staff members. this information was available to every staff member. in the past, current and ex-staff have resorted to tactics such as falsely accusing ex-staff of leaking secrets and threatening the accounts of their family members, impersonating players, spending months infiltrating the boards when they were set to private to carefully document the playing habits of players and punish them for posting in an isolated forum (evidence is PMs from me, I'll try to dig up a thread later), and admitting to sexually assaulting a passed out minor. these are verifiable and admitted events; not conjecture or speculation. these are the people who have had access to your information, and continue to have access to your personal information, despite there being no forseeable reason to. now, for our end. one file, out of a thousand, had mistakenly been posted with RL names, dob, and addresses of staff members. another had first names and phone numbers from 2006 -- this was not realized until the following day, after the archives had been taken down. there was no expectation that these file would be carelessly mixed in with gameplay-related documentation. when this information was noticed by members of this board, it was taken down within twenty minutes and the publisher requested that anyone who had a copy of it remove it immediately with users affirming that they had done so. if you're worried about RL action being taken against you or information falling into the wrong hands from this community, you should really rethink the situation and consider how an isolated forum of players, put more concern into protecting your anonymity than the staff and administration of Armageddon MUD. to my knowledge, there's been never been any incidences of stalking behavior, harassment (sorry but saying 'nyr sux' on the forum doesn't count), or threats from members of this board since it's inception towards the staff of arm. unfortunately, that seems to be a one way street.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 16:50:14 GMT -5
You guys were pretty irresponsible to do this without checking for sensitive info first. You fucked up. You are trying to excuse your fuckup on the grounds that a former staffer is the real badguy or that staff are jerks or histrionic or that the info on the wiki sucked. the info on the wiki DID suck, but before releasing data in this quantity you could have lookef at what you had first. there was no rush to do this and give staff more reason to hate us. so yeah, you made a mistake and should really own up to that. how about that, nobody is perfect. less self righteousness and more humility please. Yeah you're right. In humility, I admit to fucking up by not properly taking my time to scrub the wiki before releasing it. This responsibility was solely mine and not the community at large though. Oh, wait, nvm, I forgot we drew straws and Jeshin got the short one. Phew
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Post by delerak on Feb 23, 2016 18:02:19 GMT -5
You already have zero privacy, get over it.
People who get upset over "privacy breaches" shouldn't be participating in this beautiful thing we call the internet. Seriously get the fuck out if you can't handle the fact that what YOU voluntarily posted about yourself on the internet is seen by the masses. What a joke this whole thing is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 18:22:41 GMT -5
You already have zero privacy, get over it. People who get upset over "privacy breaches" shouldn't be participating in this beautiful thing we call the internet. Seriously get the fuck out if you can't handle the fact that what YOU voluntarily posted about yourself on the internet is seen by the masses. If someone accessed my bank account via the web, I would consider that a privacy breach; it'd make me upset. I like you Delerak, but you're really generalizing here.
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Post by delerak on Feb 23, 2016 18:34:30 GMT -5
You already have zero privacy, get over it. People who get upset over "privacy breaches" shouldn't be participating in this beautiful thing we call the internet. Seriously get the fuck out if you can't handle the fact that what YOU voluntarily posted about yourself on the internet is seen by the masses. If someone accessed my bank account via the web, I would consider that a privacy breach; it'd make me upset. I like you Delerak, but you're really generalizing here. This is a false analogy. You have every right to be upset but the comparison isn't the same. Your bank will reimburse you and actively search out these breaches of security. However if you're dumb enough to give your credit card information to some friends on the internet because you ignorantly trust them that is your fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 18:47:40 GMT -5
If someone accessed my bank account via the web, I would consider that a privacy breach; it'd make me upset. I like you Delerak, but you're really generalizing here. This is a false analogy. You have every right to be upset but the comparison isn't the same. Your bank will reimburse you and actively search out these breaches of security. However if you're dumb enough to give your credit card information to some friends on the internet because you ignorantly trust them that is your fuck up. Pretty sure it depends on your bank.
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Post by BitterFlashback on Feb 23, 2016 19:59:11 GMT -5
You guys were pretty irresponsible to do this without checking for sensitive info first. You fucked up. You are trying to excuse your fuckup on the grounds that a former staffer is the real badguy or that staff are jerks or histrionic or that the info on the wiki sucked. the info on the wiki DID suck, but before releasing data in this quantity you could have lookef at what you had first. there was no rush to do this and give staff more reason to hate us. so yeah, you made a mistake and should really own up to that. how about that, nobody is perfect. less self righteousness and more humility please. Well look at you, though! I mean you're sitting there telling everyone else to apologize for what Barka did to avoid apologizing yourself. You had exactly as much responsibility for Barka uploading the wiki and Barka uploading the game as the rest of us who aren't Barka. So go on, stop being a hypocrite! Show some humility! Prostrate yourself before the staff in a mournful apology for your part of our shared guilt-by-proximity, you self-righteous fuck.
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Post by ccp on Feb 23, 2016 20:21:03 GMT -5
i'm gonna follow-up post here the chat CCP and I had in the shoutbox. for 10+ years, armageddon mud has maintained the addresses, DOB, RL names, and phone numbers of some current and former staff members. this information was available to every staff member. in the past, current and ex-staff have resorted to tactics such as falsely accusing ex-staff of leaking secrets and threatening the accounts of their family members, impersonating players, spending months infiltrating the boards when they were set to private to carefully document the playing habits of players and punish them for posting in an isolated forum (evidence is PMs from me, I'll try to dig up a thread later), and admitting to sexually assaulting a passed out minor. these are verifiable and admitted events; not conjecture or speculation. these are the people who have had access to your information, and continue to have access to your personal information, despite there being no forseeable reason to. now, for our end. one file, out of a thousand, had mistakenly been posted with RL names, dob, and addresses of staff members. another had first names and phone numbers from 2006 -- this was not realized until the following day, after the archives had been taken down. there was no expectation that these file would be carelessly mixed in with gameplay-related documentation. when this information was noticed by members of this board, it was taken down within twenty minutes and the publisher requested that anyone who had a copy of it remove it immediately with users affirming that they had done so. if you're worried about RL action being taken against you or information falling into the wrong hands from this community, you should really rethink the situation and consider how an isolated forum of players, put more concern into protecting your anonymity than the staff and administration of Armageddon MUD. to my knowledge, there's been never been any incidences of stalking behavior, harassment (sorry but saying 'nyr sux' on the forum doesn't count), or threats from members of this board since it's inception towards the staff of arm. unfortunately, that seems to be a one way street. Again you're justifying an action that was shortsighted and shitty by saying that staff are jerks and have been shortsighted and shitty more times than we have. That staff deserve any slight against them because the gravity of their past transgressions merits anything hostile now. If that's your stance then we're at odds. If your opinion and attitude is to just fuck with staff whenever you can, then you're just a constant threat to them. It was an attack without a reason, it wasn't a response to anything, it was just a "fuck you." Maybe this could have been saved for a time when staff did something shitty again. Instead it's the opposite, as staff have been making objectively measurable efforts to expand and improve the game lately. IF your attitude is just "Fuck you, I'll do what I want to you because I hate you," Guess what? Staff are going to take the same stance as you. As to why that stance is justified, see my post above about the kinds of feelings people have when they feel unsafe. I would have been fine with a release had it been just their silly game related info that was in the dump. Game related information, clearly, nobody is going to bring up harassment or lawsuits. Instead we now have "that time that barka released all the staff's addresses, phone numbers and real names" and we just have to live with that being on "The shadowboard's" track record. So much for the loveable KronibasGate that we all look back on warmly.
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Post by ccp on Feb 23, 2016 20:23:09 GMT -5
Well look at you, though! I mean you're sitting there telling everyone else to apologize for what Barka did to avoid apologizing yourself. You had exactly as much responsibility for Barka uploading the wiki and Barka uploading the game as the rest of us who aren't Barka. So go on, stop being a hypocrite! Show some humility! Prostrate yourself before the staff in a mournful apology for your part of our shared guilt-by-proximity, you self-righteous fuck. As I said from the beginning, I don't condone staff returning fire against posters here with bans. It is possible to disapprove of behavior on both sides of the fence, believe it or not.
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Post by delerak on Feb 23, 2016 20:37:35 GMT -5
Oh my god it's just a catastrophe this thing that happened! Warn everyone.
I'd be more upset if my car got broken into. And even then I'd get over that shit real quick, no point in being upset over something you can't control. Especially if I left the doors unlocked.
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Post by ccp on Feb 23, 2016 20:40:02 GMT -5
Oh my god it's just a catastrophe this thing that happened! Warn everyone. I'd be more upset if my car got broken into. And even then I'd get over that shit real quick, no point in being upset over something you can't control. Especially if I left the doors unlocked. I'm glad you support your comrades in your little war against arma to try and minimize this and draw silly false comparisons but it's not gonna convince me or a lot of other players, so yeah, this should be been more well thought out, I think my stance is pretty fucking unassailable, etc etc.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 23, 2016 20:46:27 GMT -5
Wait, hasn't the default staff position been "Fuck you I'll do what I want to you because I don't like you" for the past few years?
Wasn't that kind of the reason for this board's existence in the first place?
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Post by jcarter on Feb 23, 2016 20:49:24 GMT -5
Again you're justifying an action that was shortsighted and shitty by saying that staff are jerks and have been shortsighted and shitty more times than we have. That staff deserve any slight against them because the gravity of their past transgressions merits anything hostile now. no, i'm not. reread the post: i'm stating that the 'omg staff lives are in danger!!' pearl-clutching by people like you is ridiculous and overblown, there's no evidence supporting that there would ever be any threats against the staff, and that i think it's far more likelier that any 'threats' or 'danger' would come from staff itself considering their past behavior as well as how suspicious it is that they've maintained the RL names, addresses, DOB, and phone numbers of people who have been unaffiliated with the game for 10+ years.
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Post by Prime Minister Sinister on Feb 23, 2016 20:50:05 GMT -5
I would have been fine with a release had it been just their silly game related info that was in the dump. Game related information, clearly, nobody is going to bring up harassment or lawsuits. Instead we now have "that time that barka released all the staff's addresses, phone numbers and real names" and we just have to live with that being on "The shadowboard's" track record. So much for the loveable KronibasGate that we all look back on warmly. You really think people wouldn't be losing their shit if personal info wasn't included in the wiki? They'd find a reason to flip the fuck out and demonize all shadowboard posters one way or another and you know it.
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