punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 8, 2016 12:39:05 GMT -5
And furthermore,
How many days played was Nobody? 30, 40? Does it occur to you that perhaps both things he's accused of -- max--hiding in the Guild Bar & attacking dudes in a completely unacceptable fashion (such as throwing knives at RCS'S character while he was link-dead, walking in and getting the knives, and walking out to throw them again) -- Does it occur to you that, over the time period of approaching 960 hours in-game, he could have done BOTH these things? Inconceivable! There's no way he was 1. Hidden, and 2. Not hidden the entire time!
You've sure shot holes in my argument. I don't know how to recover.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 8, 2016 12:47:26 GMT -5
"Nobody was a twink who never became visible in public ever and he was just a stealth twink and I hate him."
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"I saw Nobody do this in public and that proves he was a twink and I hate him."
Both camps can't be right. They contradict each other.
You miss read, Nobody was stealthed unless the omni-present crime code was there to protect him. Like many players before him. I'm only parroting what westsiders where dropping IC on a completely OOC level of understanding that's PC play, which is par for the course consider that PC's position in things. Getting caught out in the open in a lawless area would of been an insta death sentence for that PC. I take so little issue with that particular player when the code was honestly to blame. The code enabled the behavior and thus the escalation continued. Nobody was a well played elf, there's no getting around that. Any elf player who creates an air of OOC hate around them is doing something right. They're such an elf nuisance that people's IC/OOC line blurs. It's only in retrospect after emotional investment is removed that players tend to reflect and go. "Heh, funny." Except grumble of course. With in the moment he did on some level of a lot of players ire, on that OOC level because of how things where going. Becoming the scape-goat for plot failing woes. This thread is proof of both things. A.) Nobody made efficient and effective use to the code, to a degree people called "TWINK!" B.) The player did such a great job of getting under people's skin there's now a shadowboard thread about it. That player can officially notch his Armageddon belt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 13:07:39 GMT -5
Nobody does it better Makes me feel sad for the rest Nobody does it half as good as you Baby, you're the best
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 13:30:28 GMT -5
I was told IC that when the Guild wanted to kill Nobody, he "vanished from the face of Zalanthas" for a long, long time. The person saying it was implying that the player just stopped playing for months, then came back when none of the characters hunting him were around anymore (except the guy who told me this).
I RPed with Nobody some last year, and while I didn't see any extreme twinking, he was the kind of ultra-cheesy player that would take advantage of every questionable aspect of the code. Like if he didn't like some stealth character, he would just shadow and watch them at all times, causing their stealth skills to be unusable (even if maxed out, you fail skills like sneak and steal about half the time if somebody is watching you, even if they're hidden).
Not technically illegal or anything, but extremely cheap and griefy because it can be used to essentially render a stealth-based character useless a large portion of the time. It's a wildly unrealistic aspect of the code that shouldn't be abused.
The fact that elven burglars/assassins with +hide gear become literally undetectable is broken and he made full use of that to do some weird shit. None of what I saw was 'file a complaint' material, but it made me feel wrong about interacting with him because catching his interest meant you could never do anything controversial or you'd be certain that everyone who wanted to know about it would. He was known to use failproof stealth to ruin everyone's plots and secrets in a way that felt more like trolling than real roleplay.
There's something psionicists can do where they just wreck every plot going on in the game by obtaining sensitive information and giving it to the opposing side. While a burglar can't get quite the same flawless coverage as a psionicist, they can do the same thing to a moderate degree, and he seemed to do that. It makes people stop trying to do plot shit, or at least makes them do anti-roleplay shit like never ever speak of things, involving only OOC friends, and generally behaving in a fashion that doesn't help the game.
There comes a point where you have to be responsible with your powers and not do shit just because you can. You can justify most things with "my character needed to make money selling information" or whatever, but if your actions are making the game worse, you're shitty. Nobody was the mundane version of that one northern templar (name eludes me) who would just mindworm everything to death before anything could happen, leaving the plot scene dead.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 8, 2016 13:36:17 GMT -5
The fact that elven burglars/assassins with +hide gear become literally undetectable is broken and he made full use of that to do some weird shit. None of what I saw was 'file a complaint' material, but it made me feel weird about interacting with him. He was known to use failproof stealth to ruin everyone's plots and secrets in a way that felt more like trolling than real roleplay. There's something psionicists can do where they just wreck every plot going on in the game by obtaining the information and giving it to the opposing side. While a burglar can't get quite the same flawless coverage as a psionicist, they can do the same thing to a moderate degree, and he seemed to do that. It makes people stop trying to do plot shit, or at least makes them do anti-roleplay shit like never ever speak of things, involving only OOC friends, and generally behaving in a fashion that doesn't help the game. This was what Westsiders were mainly griping about. Added: I can't honestly blame the player too much. Because with out super stealth, he was a half-giant bash away from being turned into an blood stain in the alleys. Yet with the super stealth, at least the theory was, he was in places stealth with out respect for the VNPC population. Like Hork wouldn't notice the elf sized shadow standing in the cramped, dingy bar. The code's one part broke (super stealth should never be a thang) the other is a Staff oversight, should of animated west siders running him off. I dunno, I don't see reasons to take issue with that particular player over all the other shit tastic things I've seen players do on game supposedly about role play and story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 14:00:37 GMT -5
There are far worse players in the game, that's for sure. It's just that since he's a good RPer when he wants to be, it's disappointing to see him do some of the shit he did. We all know what maxed stealth can do, and I like to think that most players who play such characters don't take it to ridiculous extremes such as elves shadowing humans into their human-only apartment buildings in order to stand behind their couch for hours taking cliff notes on their private conversation, and then passing the information on. It's both unrealistic and really unhealthy for the game. However, he didn't go around wantonly PKing people or anything like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:33:56 GMT -5
Zzz
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Post by desertman on Feb 9, 2016 10:42:30 GMT -5
I'm glad you play, dman. Your lack of capability to have any common decency for other players reminds me of how much better we are.
You realize this is a response to a post where I literally said, "I wouldn't do it personally.", do you not?
If you can find a single person who says I ever killed them in a twinkish way, I invite you to bring them forward.
I've lost extremely long-lived characters over my OOC compassion for players who's characters I could have and should have killed on more than one occasion. It's arguably a stupid way to play, but, I care more about the story than winning.
In fact, you would probably be pretty hard pressed to find anyone who will say I killed them at all and who I have played is pretty common knowledge.
I think in my entire Arm career spanning almost 20 RL years I MIGHT have killed between twenty and thirty characters actually. This includes both intentional hits and me just defending myself from aggression.
This is another example of you having no idea what you are talking about and just opening your mouth because you are upset.
One of these days you are going to realize when you just write things out of anger, which you are known to do regularly, it just makes you look wrong.
This includes not only this post, but your entire interaction with staff as a whole.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 9, 2016 11:47:33 GMT -5
Whoa wait a minute.
Are you saying The Terrible Three, Nyr, Talia, and Calvicus or whatever. Where in the right to deny resurrection requests by the three players who got murdered by their terrible riot plot over sight?
Are you saying that Triple P who actually gave shit about other players, other then himself was some how wrong in his attempt get it justified?
Further more, are literally dragging something else up from the past to beat him over the head with? Even though is has very little to do with the topic at hand?
What are you? Fucking Nyr? That's a Nyr comment Homie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 11:53:56 GMT -5
You know, there was a village in Africa that got wiped out this weekend, and when I'm reading about that, and this post is the very next thing I read, I kinda feel like some of you are juicing a little heavy most days.
OMG PPP TRIED TO SAVE THOSE KIDS, THEY WERE MURDERERERERERED BY EVILLE.
Give me a break, dude. Who are you, Edward Snowden? This SJW shit is truly old. Play the damn game and stop worrying about the OOC shit. That's the real RISE OF THE METAGAME, here.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 9, 2016 12:00:43 GMT -5
You know, there was a village in Africa that got wiped out this weekend, and when I'm reading about that, and this post is the very next thing I read, I kinda feel like some of you are juicing a little heavy most days. OMG PPP TRIED TO SAVE THOSE KIDS, THEY WERE MURDERERERERERED BY EVILLE. Give me a break, dude. Who are you, Edward Snowden? This SJW shit is truly old. Play the damn game and stop worrying about the OOC shit. That's the real RISE OF THE METAGAME, here. Are you trying to white knight for Dman? Top Quality Shit Post Mate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 12:04:26 GMT -5
I'm not white knighting for Desertman, I'm calling you out with some perspective. You guys have been frothing at the mouth about some dude's character in this thread and you don't even have the full details. Just pieced together shit, and some twinky anecdote from RCS. And this old nonsense gets brought up from before like PPP is some kind of hero for Armageddon Justice, but that makes it seem even more lame, let's be real.
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Post by dcdc on Feb 9, 2016 12:12:58 GMT -5
Frothing at the mouth is a very strong term, the only frothing is Grumble and he does that on the hourly for reasons not privy to us non-certifiable folks. I know who played Nobody and he's a legit dude. I stated several times that the issue is with the code, not the player. Dman brought up that nonsense with out context, I gave it context. Though you seem to take no issue with Dman bringing it up out of context. Guess you jaded Vets need to stick together You may continue to be contrarian and shit post with goofy ass Curry avatar. Every time I see that light skin fuck I seethe with the anger of a thousand Cavalier fans.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 12:17:41 GMT -5
I'm not white knighting for Desertman, I'm calling you out with some perspective. You guys have been frothing at the mouth about some dude's character in this thread and you don't even have the full details. Just pieced together shit, and some twinky anecdote from RCS. And this old nonsense gets brought up from before like PPP is some kind of hero for Armageddon Justice, but that makes it seem even more lame, let's be real. Yeah yeah. Get gud, be real, yadda yadda.
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punished ppurg
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Post by punished ppurg on Feb 9, 2016 12:19:12 GMT -5
Let's be real. Nobody's player doesn't give a damn about constructive criticism or other means of critique. And the staff don't give a damn about fixing the exploits he used / abused. The only way to improve the game, with these two elements in mind, is to expose them and shame the character. As well, you need to shame anyone who's going to jump at defending it.
Desertman is part of the problem because he's not only denying there's a problem: he's encouraging it. And kmart is just making baseless floor assumptions on people's interaction with a long-lived character, which makes no sense. I guess all those people who interacted with Quoriya (sp?) the murderous Tuluki Templar were lying, since all they had were just pieced together shit and twinky anecdotes. Maybe you should call them out, too, kmart. We definitely need some perspective on characters who use OOC information to make themselves absolutely untouchable by anything short of a 4-karma magic class. That's what we need.
I'm not frothing at the mouth. When I was playing my Sergeant, I just accepted that Nobody was going to be one of the elements of the Rinth that I (as leader of the AoD clan) couldn't do anything about even if I wanted to. And looking back, that sort of play was disgusting. You know how seidhr complains on the GDB about people who go around, max hide/sneaking everywhere? Do you think that applies to Nobody, who did exactly that whenever he wasn't standing next to a soldier NPC?
I'm glad that the character was stored, because obviously that method of play is fun and sustainable for .... Nobody. Here's the thing; anyone playing like that is not only giving all stealth classes a bad name, but they're also preventing an entire clan from getting anything off the ground short of OOC communication and metagaming. Are those things that you two are going to jump to defend, as well? I'd like to know.
And leave my past sparks out of this, unless you're keen on cementing I care more about the actual players of the game than the game itself. Neither of you have done a damn thing close to standing up against abhorrent staffers like I did, or risked what I have; in fact, the reason I did so is because I knew there's nobody else who comes close to "caring" about this game that would do it. So view the yoke of karma around your necks and your carefully trained conditioning over the years to not give a damn as benefits, for all I care. I'm trying to make the game better for you, too.
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