MartenBroadcloak
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Post by MartenBroadcloak on Jul 31, 2014 19:32:53 GMT -5
I'm just being sickeningly optimistic over here and trying to believe that I can blame alpha! Stop crushing my delusions! *crai so hard*
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Post by legendary on Jul 31, 2014 19:41:16 GMT -5
I am Elan on SOI and I appreciate your statement that I am the hardest working PC (if you meant me!) I did in fact mean you. You're one of the few completely positive influences in the entire SoI community. I've been avoiding using names because it's something of a taboo here when discussing Armageddon and barring glaring offenders or well-knowns like Calder and Toki, I feel the same respect should be afforded to the players of SoI. That sounds a lot like excuses, unfortunately. Explain the difference between the TMG experience and the experience of everyone else. I've done both and I was in before the free equipment, exclusive healing and sparring NPCs were a thing. The difference is night and day in terms of what you get to experience and how far the staff will go to make sure you're happy. Explain the Hillmen having their own fort built when other people aren't even able to have small camps or cabins built, despite similar efforts. Explain how players like Toki are able to completely game the code in front of everyone without consequence. I was issued a warning on one of my PCs for grinding sneak and hide, when the warg conga lines were getting too long for me to deal with all the time. There are soft touch staff and there is the blatant turning of blind eyes for specific people in the community. I haven't seen any obvious Lodge employees outside of the original cast, but I don't regularly spend time in the Inn due to IC reasons. At one point I had a PC interested in working as a bouncer in the Inn (during the let's all brawl phase) and was told the Inn doesn't hire outside of the family and directed me to the at-the-time TMG Sergeant. That may not be the case anymore, but at one point it was, or so I was told in game. No arguments here. There seems to be too many chiefs and not enough warriors, given the (dwindling) number of players in the sphere. Burned out from doing what, exactly? Unless the greenskins have been enjoying wall-to-wall RPTs and liberal animations, I haven't seen a lick of effort made for anyone beyond TMG and the Hillmen. Your experience is different from mine. The staff seem less interested in hearing from relative unknowns than they are from the 'forum regulars' clique. I had one ticket I'd sent in with suggestions on how to tame down the wolf problem (when it was a problem (and it was a problem)) and was more or less told to mind my own business. I would never post any of this on their forums. I'd be shit listed faster than Delerak at Sanvean's birthday party and we all know it.
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Jeshin
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Post by Jeshin on Jul 31, 2014 20:33:47 GMT -5
1. Ragtag was not intend as an excuse but an indictment. It's like an episode of kitchen nightmares (if you have ever seen) the staff of a failing business tend to be the primary issue thus it is the first issue that has to be solved.
2. The Merchant Guard is just as messed up as the Lodge. I mean when the payday delay was ongoing there were IC consequences for the OOC issue. That coupled with multiple incidents kind of left them in a bad spot. But in a setting like Utterby the holy trinity of clans should be markedly better off than indies. Armageddon made the mistake of not adequately distinguishing merchant families from indie experiences and it led to the merchant houses being a joke. SOI has opted to give the clans tangible advantages. I will state that to my knowledge no gear / food has ever been loaded for any clan for free and has been produced or gathered by PCs. I am however not a staffer.
The sparring NPC is an idea being implemented if it doesn't workout then it doesn't workout.
3. I'm not sure if you mean Lodge or Inn when you say you haven't seen many new ones. I assure you though the original family role was several PCs. In addition to the original hired PCs there were 5 more hired, 2 of which aren't around. I'm unsure whom told you that the Ironwood didn't hire outside their family but it was a marked lie. The closest statement I am aware of is that I once said I have my family running the Inn with me so we don't need to hire very many people. Given that Ironwood PCs could abuse their power I try to be selective about who comes in. Not out of any elitism but that I don't need the Ironwood to fall into the same boat as the other 2 clans in terms of IC/OOC issues. (You can actually look on the gossip board and if you go back you can see the announcement for hirings and even who was hired)
4. RPAs is speculation based on the announcement on the SOI forum of them changing positions or retiring.
5. I suggest posting suggestions / ideas to the forum over support tickets. Even though I have contact with staff I still post most of my ideas or concerns to the forums and participate in discussions so when they read the thread (and they do) my thoughts will be in it.
6. I'll make you a deal. If you post to the forums in a reasonable manner and are oocly punished or reprimmanded in any manner. I will personally store and retire from the MUD. Because I do not believe that a MUD should have staff who censure or disapprove of earnest players trying to help them. I quit ARM because of it and if you are mistreated on SOI for trying to offer insight and advice, I will quit SOI too.
PS - I know reasonable manner is subjective but you seem reasonable enough I'm not overly worried you're going to flamebait staff or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 21:52:32 GMT -5
Yeah, if I'm being included as part of the 'people' in any of these it's all wrong. I wasn't and am not butthurt. But I still vehemently disagree that 'as a staff member' ANYONE's time is 'more valuable than a players'. If anything has me butthurt other than the McDonalds I had earlier for dinner, it's that. Because I can't stand people thinking they are better than someone else. that's cool too, and when u have ur own place with its own rules u may be able to create a situation where that is the case. unfortunately when someone else owns the game that u visit at ur own free will, u have to provide more compelling incentive than 'i can't stand ppl thinking theyre better than me' if u want them to give a flying fuck about ur being incensed at getting ur broken app rejected ... I didn't put in an application OR have it rejected. And that does not a single goddamn thing to change my opinion that everyone is equal, even if you give some of them a limited sandbox of power to lord over other people.
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Post by jkarr on Jul 31, 2014 22:08:49 GMT -5
that's cool too, and when u have ur own place with its own rules u may be able to create a situation where that is the case. unfortunately when someone else owns the game that u visit at ur own free will, u have to provide more compelling incentive than 'i can't stand ppl thinking theyre better than me' if u want them to give a flying fuck about ur being incensed at getting ur broken app rejected ... I didn't put in an application OR have it rejected. that was spoken in a general sense since the 'staff time is more valuable than player time' comment was one of the justifications for rejecting a broken app (even though that point wouldnt even be necessary to justify sending the app back) [And that does not a single goddamn thing to change my opinion that everyone is equal, even if you give some of them a limited sandbox of power to lord over other people. lol dont think anyones said ur werent equal, but some staff may or may not think their time is more valuable than urs, and fuck if they have the power to act on it within the rules, not much u can do there hey
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 23:01:39 GMT -5
Nobody said anyone could do anything to change that, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
And the advice you said was said in the general sense was actually pretty specific and presupposed something that wasn't true.
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Post by jkarr on Jul 31, 2014 23:11:50 GMT -5
yeah point is it didnt have to be u that got rejected but ur argument is fighting against the imms that use that staff time is more important clause to justify not bothering to fix lazy players mistakes. so thats why it was thrown in cuz ur making the argument about imms that do shit like that on that premise, idk or gaf if it even happened to u i just linked ur argument with dels situation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 23:48:30 GMT -5
It's not linked. It's a personal opinion that applies to ANYONE who thinks that their time is more important than ANYONE else. In this case, it happens to be a mud staffer and someone who put in an application.
That's entirely different than just saying that staff time is no more important than player time, simply because it is an all encompassing thing, and while that can be a way it manifests, that's not the only way it does. And any time it happens, I disagree with it vehemently.
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Post by diamondsedge on Aug 1, 2014 2:57:49 GMT -5
I'd like to play, but apparently the character creation isn't going to open up any time soon.
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Post by Jeshin on Aug 1, 2014 7:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by diamondsedge on Aug 1, 2014 9:24:50 GMT -5
Ah, I finally saw the appropriate menu. I don't recall why I didn't see it a month ago. Oh well. I hope to see you guys soon. Tolkien was a favorite of mine.
Edit to add: And on the plus side, by doing it on the web the character creation process was much less stressful (worrying about timeouts).
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jkarr
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Post by jkarr on Aug 1, 2014 9:31:56 GMT -5
it most certainly is in this case, as i already showed above by citing t2thej's opinion (his time as staff is more important) and subsequent action (rejecting the app) It's a personal opinion that applies to ANYONE who thinks that their time is more important than ANYONE else. by definition and through our behaviors we all consider our time more valuable than the other because it is the only time we each have i just think u don't like it being stated outright in any way even if it is justified from a game workload aspect like legendary already said That's entirely different than just saying that staff time is no more important than player time, simply because it is an all encompassing thing, and while that can be a way it manifests, that's not the only way it does. And any time it happens, I disagree with it vehemently. that is the way it manifested here and all everyone was talking about until u decided to expand it to errrrthang and annnthang cuz 'i cant stand ppl thinking theyre better than me' etc etc
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Post by nobodyatall on Aug 2, 2014 0:43:36 GMT -5
it's not any staffers job to clean up a players' apparent laziness, double so given the wide range of autocorrecting tools at one's disposal. Apparently your understanding of how RP-heavy games work is as shitty as your typing. It is literally a staffer's job to make the game run, and see to it that the players have a good time. Just like it's the GM's job to see to it that his/her players have a good time. Sorry that's a difficult concept for some people.
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Post by jkarr on Aug 2, 2014 3:34:38 GMT -5
it's not any staffers job to clean up a players' apparent laziness, double so given the wide range of autocorrecting tools at one's disposal. Apparently your understanding of how RP-heavy games work is as shitty as your typing. not quite - the only difference is that i dont need to type pretty to expose ur ignorant ass on here. case in point: It is literally a staffer's job to make the game run. ... within each staffer's means, this is correct and see to it that the players have a good time. dead wrong. staffers are not responsible for ur game enjoyment. they are free to do shit to enhance ur experience, or at the very least reflect the game world realistically in response to ur actions, but ur enjoyment of the game is nobody's responsibility but ur own. ur in their sandbox, u play by their rules, and they owe nothing to u beyond what is already presented in the docs and the introductory material. ur entitled to shit beyond the world they provide for u and the tools ur given as a player to forge ur own path in it Just like it's the GM's job to see to it that his/her players have a good time. lol dont even know where to start here. u fucked up even trying to draw that comparison; staff are GMs only in so much as they can make the world come alive at unfixed intervals for any myriad of reasons that have shit all to do with ur 'enjoyment'. they are not personal questmasters for ur personal plots (unless they decide it is warranted -and- something they choose to do - this is more common to see if ur part of an existing coded clan), and while they can facilitate ur enjoyment through supporting the virtual world in any number of ways, they in no way work for 'u' to guarantee a 'good time' playing here. thats on u to create, and they can support that aspect as they see fit when it fits into the gameworld. the kicker here is all that shit only applies to ppl that took the time to read the application guidelines, double-check and correct their mistakes beforehand, and submit an acceptable application. the staff is not there to hold ur hand during the application process or clean up ur laziness or shitty work themselves. thats ur end of the deal that u have to fulfill before u can be permitted to play the game sorry if that is too difficult for u to process
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Post by nobodyatall on Aug 3, 2014 1:11:12 GMT -5
Nah sorry bro, you're still as incorrect as your typing. Hope you figure out either or both soon.
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