delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 20, 2013 0:10:17 GMT -5
hah. It's kind of a jibe at raseanos and nyrs videos they are both drinking beer. in my intro video I have a coke zero and in this video I chug a beer right after I talk about arms dirty laundry I thought it would be self explanatory but I guess not. I didn't even plan on it really I was just brought the beer in to do something with ti at some point (to make fun of rae/nyr showing their beers off).
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Post by topkekm8s on Oct 20, 2013 8:06:47 GMT -5
lol ur sucha nerd ;p
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2013 13:53:17 GMT -5
You make a handful of good points.
They are based on suppositions that staff works in a way that it does not.
You are actively forbidden to drum up plotlines beyond simple animation (without prior admin approval).
There are multiple npcs that you are outright forbidden under any circumstances to animate.
You are highly discouraged from animating anything higher than the highest ranking pc in a clan.
And for anything that changes the world in: rooms, codes, items, scripts, mobs, and beyond, you need to have an admin on board.
That is the storyteller's experience.
I understand why it is fun to DM. Storyteller level on staff, however, is not like that, in many ways. It is like being a pc with an open history book and the allowance to make npcs and vnpcs say and do things at times. With approval, if they are new things. And then being the go-between between admins and players doing easily 100 or so pages of paperwork (via the request tool) each week.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 20, 2013 15:12:56 GMT -5
That's fine. I never claimed to know how staff works.
Yes I made this point about the Byn and Krrx resurrecting the clan.
That is unfortunate.
Well okay.. you kind of prove my points here. You have to jump thru too many hoops to do your job. It's stupid. Also you didn't respond to any of the history of staff avatars I spoke about. They have historically ruined many players experience at Arm. Not to mention the colossal mountain of corruption that they create via questionable resurrections and favoritism.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 20, 2013 16:10:50 GMT -5
Some of it makes sense.
There's no reason for a storyteller to be animating high-level positions (red robes, high up nobility, top level merchant house family, NPC leaders of clans, etc) without there having been a plan set down in place.
The plotline thing seems silly and takes away from the sense of the game world being alive. I get that big plots shouldn't be started without oversight and discussion, but it seems like small stories in clans and such should happen without needing admin approval. If the Byn is slow, I think a storyteller from that clan should be able to do a quick plot of guarding a nervous noble from his compound to his house. Yeah it takes 2 seconds to run it across an admin, but from what I understand it's never that fast and everything seems to be a tedious process. These policies come across as a reaction to one out of the fifty or so storytellers in the last 10 years being dumb in their position. I don't get why you would bring people on as staff, give them access to so many game secrets and knowledge of the code, and then have them act as the internet hobby equivalent of being a teller at the DMV.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 20, 2013 16:32:46 GMT -5
More than likely the responses are from all the shit that Arm has endured over the years.
If you have a line of staff involvement vs no staff involvement they've gone so far to the right of no staff involvement that it makes the game really frustrating.
But you know what? I prefer NO staff involvement to a ton of staff involvement where Halaster(s) and Bhagharva(s) are running around using zalanthas as their own playground to do whatever they want. I think THAT is the main reason the mud is the way it is now and they should fucking SAY THAT. That's the problem nothing ever gets explained and there is never any reason for half the shit that they put out. I want to know WHY you're telling me something don't just tell me something. This is basic Sun Tzu shit here. You don't tell somebody 'no' and then not tell them why you're saying no. Am I right or just totally jaded about this whole thing?
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Post by Hardboiled on Oct 20, 2013 21:58:11 GMT -5
I liked the video and I'm glad you are doing it. However, my advice would be to use more pictures and have more proof ready.I think showing pictures/examples/logs and just your own writing and notes is a better way to go then just showing yourself talking. For example when you a talked about forum posts 'be the change' you could have been showing the various post examples in your video. Granted this would take a lot more time but it would give your videos more credibility. I mean absolutely no offense to you, your home or your couch but I just think your message gets across better if we see less of you drinking or otherwise and see more actual proof, writings or notes of what you are trying to get across.
A good example of what the type of style I'm suggestion to you would be the Jimquisition or No Punctuation . You can look those video up on youtube to see their style. However you could even take it one step further basically you record everything you want to say and then you go and find examples/proof (as stated anove) to back it up. Again it would be more work, but these videos will be there for years and years as part of the recorded history of Armageddon so the effort won't be wasted.
Regardless of what you decide to do I hope you continue making videos. Thanks again for taking the time to do it.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 20, 2013 22:19:16 GMT -5
I liked the video and I'm glad you are doing it. However, my advice would be to use more pictures and have more proof ready.I think showing pictures/examples/logs and just your own writing and notes is a better way to go then just showing yourself talking. For example when you a talked about forum posts 'be the change' you could have been showing the various post examples in your video. Granted this would take a lot more time but it would give your videos more credibility. I mean absolutely no offense to you, your home or your couch but I just think your message gets across better if we see less of you drinking or otherwise and see more actual proof, writings or notes of what you are trying to get across. A good example of what the type of style I'm suggestion to you would be the Jimquisition or No Punctuation . You can look those video up on youtube to see their style. However you could even take it one step further basically you record everything you want to say and then you go and find examples/proof (as stated anove) to back it up. Again it would be more work, but these videos will be there for years and years as part of the recorded history of Armageddon so the effort won't be wasted. Regardless of what you decide to do I hope you continue making videos. Thanks again for taking the time to do it. Nice feedback! I was totally considering all of this before I did the vid. However I wanted to get some content started early so I just did a quick vid. In the future I will probably do something as you suggested. I do want my videos to matter in the end. I've been a huge part of Arm whether they want to admit it or not. The problem will be time constraints of course. If any kind souls want to HELP me with my vids I would totally dig it. Also I'm looking for future topics. I'm thinking my next episode will possibly be about the APM and how IRL everybody changes their tune when you're right in front of them. Also I have some stories about my days as the first ever gith and how awesome a staffer Dyrinis was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 6:44:13 GMT -5
Wish I could help with that topic, but have never actually attended an APM. I was going to suggest something on the ridiculous 'distribution' of karma.
Players ------- [ Mortal ] [Pkp/Car] [Hum] xxx (Krayven) [The Guild] [R] [2 k] [ Mortal ] [Asn/Phy] [Clf] xxx (Clavis) [Akai Sjir] [1 k] [ Mortal ] [War/Htr] [Hum] xxx (Lythaniel) [Tor Scorpions] [1 k] [ Mortal ] [War/Thg] [Dwa] xxx (Chavo) [Tor Scorpions] [ Mortal ] [War/Scv] [Hum] xxx (GreenApple) [T'zai Byn] [ Storyteller ] [Wne/Tkr] [Hum] Qetesh (Qetesh) [Zimand Gur] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Acr] [Clf] Sinjinn (Shalooonsh's Mortal Acct) [*Akai Sjir*] [R] [8 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Tkr] [Hum] xxx (Bracken) [House Kurac] [2 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Arm] [Dlf] xxx (Jeax) [Sun Runners] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Lng] [Hum] xxx (Fendor) [al Seik] [5 k] [ Highlord ] [Rng/Thg] [Toa] Uruz (Uruz) [House Oash] [nozone combat ] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Nmd] [Hum] xxx (Strouticus) [House Salarr] [3 k] [ Mortal ] [Psi/SAs] [Hum] Terissa (Maglos) [Bards of Poets' Circle] [8 k] [ Slacklurd ] [Rng/Thf] [Hum] Nyr (Nyr) [House Salarr] [noconnectlog nozone combat calculations ] [ Mortal ] [War/Scv] [Hum] xxx (Kaineus) [ Mortal ] [Wne/Lng] [Hum] xxx (Meish) [R] [5 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Htr] [Hum] xxx (Mira) [T'zai Byn] [ Mortal ] [War/For] [Clf] xxx (Halcyon) [T'zai Byn] [3 k] [ Highlord ] [Drv/---] [Hum] Nechomacus (Nechomacus) [Society of the Vault] [notypo noconnectlog nozone combat bank ] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Nmd] [Dwa] xxx (Marc) [R] [4 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Nmd] [Hum] xxx (Stacy) [1 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Arm] [Hum] xxx (Jeshin) [ Mortal ] [War/Car] [Dwa] xxx (Spud) [T'zai Byn] [ Mortal ] [War/Scv] [Hum] xxx (Medivh) [T'zai Byn] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Thg] [Hum] xxx (Cabal) [ Mortal ] [Asn/Reb] [Hum] xxx (Kryos) [*T'zai Byn*] [4 k] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Arm] [Hum] xxx (Andagorilla) [House Salarr] [3 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Arm] [Dwa] xxx (Taco) [T'zai Byn] [ Mortal ] [War/Grd] [Hum] xxx (Argon) [Allanaki Militia Recruits] [R] [1 k] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Arc] [Hum] xxx (Chettaman) [2 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Jlr] [Hum] xxx (Oleupata) [Arabet] [8 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/For] [Hlf] xxx (Buzzthewindling) [ Storyteller ] [Rng/PoE] [Hum] Anaiah (Anaiah) [Utep Sun Clan] [ Mortal ] [Psi/SMc] [Hum] xxx (Niamh) [Allanaki Militia Recruits] [69 k] [ Mortal ] [Bgl/Acr] [Hum] xxx (Ebdaly) [Servants of Tenneshi] [1 k] [ Mortal ] [Pkp/Tlr] [Hlf] xxx (JLewisWilliams) [R] [4 k]
[MORE] [ Mortal ] [Pkp/Crf] [Hlf] xxx (Ourla) [5 k] [ Mortal ] [Fre/Jlr] [Hum] xxx (Kaltan) [4 k] [ Mortal ] [Rng/Arc] [Hum] xxx (Katalyn) [4 k] [ Mortal ] [Bgl/Thf] [Clf] xxx (Yukishiro) [ Mortal ] [Mch/Lng] [Hum] xxx (Zeia) [2 k] [ Mortal ] [LTp/Lng] [Hum] xxx (Tindalos) [Utep Sun Clan] [7 k] [ Mortal ] [Ste/Stn] [Hum] xxx (Tempest) [Servants of House Oash] [R] [5 k] [ Storyteller ] [Tpl/Scv] [Hum] Maeve (Maeve) [Servants of the Dragon] [nocontact noconnectlog combat bank ] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Arm] [Hum] xxx (Tanbiere) [House Salarr] [1 k] [ Mortal ] [Asn/Thf] [Hum] xxx (Zephy) [1 k] [ Mortal ] [Drv/Htr] [Hum] xxx (Lsls) [R] [5 k] [ Storyteller ] [Tpl/Tkr] [Vth] Thistle (Thistle) [Servants of the Dragon] [notypo nobug noidea nocontact combat bank ] [ Mortal ] [Drv/Htr] [Hum] xxx (Hade) [R] [6 k] [ Mortal ] [Mch/Lng] [Hum] xxx (Asinha) [House Tenneshi] [7 k]
Or... you know... the lack thereof. Several of the accounts with karma here have lost all their karma since (zeia, as an example) because the log is from 2010. Several of the accounts here have an erratically large amount. But the only accounts with 8... are staff.
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 21, 2013 8:31:50 GMT -5
Pretty interesting stuff there. Never seen anything like it before. I expect staff to have full karma I mean we all know you are given full karma when you come on staff apparently. My issues with karma arise mainly from the fact that many roles are hoarded away from perfectly great players. On top of that lets say somebody who is banned comes back and has an account and gets karma and plays a great role. If they get caught or decide to out themselves this is all suddenly gone? It doesn't make any sense that you would take away a perfectly good role from the game world just because the player has been banned in the past. Banning to me does NOT work as it is negative reinforcement. Removing the player (the negative operant) makes the banner (the staff) feel better about themselves because this negative presence is gone (temporarily anyway).
I mean what really IS a ban anyway? What does it say? Is it a boss firing his employee? Not really because I can return whenever I want to play. Is it a parent disciplining their children? Well no because you're banning me saying hey leave and never come back again. WE don't want you here.. the problm being WE isn't true. I know for a fact that there were staff who didn't want me banned. Because low and behold some staffers actually have a shred of intellect and want to talk about things and work them out. Others just want to 'ban' you because they don't like you as a person. Or they want to feel better about themselves. Or they have a powertrip. Etc etc.
Actually I just decided my next videos topic will be on bans, banning, and more banning! Gonna be a fun topic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 14:12:16 GMT -5
I really look forward to seeing it. I'd never seen anyone wind up banned in the year or so I was on staff besides 1 person who violated the rape consent rules. Coming over here, though, has opened my eyes to what seems like a lot of other banning that'd been going on that no one had even brought up for discussion where I'd had the chance to hear it. I look forward to seeing your new vlog. Insert some random comment about the couch.
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Post by raven on Oct 21, 2013 17:14:35 GMT -5
I really look forward to seeing it. I'd never seen anyone wind up banned in the year or so I was on staff besides 1 person who violated the rape consent rules. Coming over here, though, has opened my eyes to what seems like a lot of other banning that'd been going on that no one had even brought up for discussion where I'd had the chance to hear it. I look forward to seeing your new vlog. Insert some random comment about the couch. You'd be surprised. I personally know an Ex Arm player who 'won' Arm. And staff hated him. He was a Templar. Got to fully max out his character. Was the talk of town. Multiple Kudos from other players. And staff hated him simply because he didn't believe in this maxim that roles must be 'earned and given only' by Staff. So he did in fact told me about this whole favoritism as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 17:28:20 GMT -5
I really look forward to seeing it. I'd never seen anyone wind up banned in the year or so I was on staff besides 1 person who violated the rape consent rules. Coming over here, though, has opened my eyes to what seems like a lot of other banning that'd been going on that no one had even brought up for discussion where I'd had the chance to hear it. I look forward to seeing your new vlog. Insert some random comment about the couch. You'd be surprised. I personally know an Ex Arm player who 'won' Arm. And staff hated him. He was a Templar. Got to fully max out his character. Was the talk of town. Multiple Kudos from other players. And staff hated him simply because he didn't believe in this maxim that roles must be 'earned and given only' by Staff. So he did in fact told me about this whole favoritism as well. Before the templar role, staff liked him a lot, and afterward several did as well. That was mostly Adhira and Nyr there with the dislike. Which is sad. He was one of the most well-played, player-engaging, fun, and interesting templars I've ever seen in the over half a decade I'd played.
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Post by jcarter on Oct 21, 2013 18:35:47 GMT -5
You'd be surprised. I personally know an Ex Arm player who 'won' Arm. And staff hated him. He was a Templar. Got to fully max out his character. Was the talk of town. Multiple Kudos from other players. And staff hated him simply because he didn't believe in this maxim that roles must be 'earned and given only' by Staff. So he did in fact told me about this whole favoritism as well. Before the templar role, staff liked him a lot, and afterward several did as well. That was mostly Adhira and Nyr there with the dislike. Which is sad. He was one of the most well-played, player-engaging, fun, and interesting templars I've ever seen in the over half a decade I'd played. can we get the full story on this?
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delerak
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Post by delerak on Oct 21, 2013 18:48:01 GMT -5
Was going to ask the same but I think if the player doesn't want to be mentioned or talked about we should respect that.
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