Here we see from 2015 Kronibas's THC fueled journey into considering suing members of the community of ArmageddonMUD for sexually enticing a minor (himself). I argued that it was legal as I am clearly a pedophile. Armageddon is the only place I can get my fix. /s
It's not an equivalent argument but it meets your criteria of criticism back when we were all actively playing.
The most relevant thing to pull from that trainwreck of a thread was that the issues expressed in this reddit review in 2019 were issues that still existed and were known in 2015. They were known prior to that, too.
I remember that thread. It's another example of someone leaving the game and then airing the dirty laundry which is unfortunate. I played at 15 as well and never experienced anything remotely close to some of the accusations labelled around here. Armageddon never took criticism well, hence these forums. It's just ironic and hilarious to me that once you stop playing the game is the worst thing ever, but if you're active it's all good.
Post by purgpurgpurg on Sept 20, 2019 20:45:41 GMT -5
That's a factually incorrect statement. A majority of the traffic that occurred on this forum during 2015 was players expressing (or venting) their frustrations in an anonymous fashion, where their criticism wouldn't lead to having their investment in the game ripped apart by vengeful and capricious staff members. It came to pass that things got so bad, people quit playing. That's a natural development. To fabricate this sort of dichotomy of "I PLAYING, THINGS GOOD" and "I NO PLAYING, THINGS BAD" is purposefully misrepresenting the discussions that have been had on this board. A lot of criticism can't be made when you have something to lose.
Also it's not ironic. Look up the definition of irony.
These boards were most active when Armageddon playerbase was larger. That would be a pretty good indication that the activity of the board is linked to the activity of the game meaning playing users. The fact some of us old quitters still post is probably different from person to person.
Post by purgpurgpurg on Sept 20, 2019 22:00:07 GMT -5
Easy solution, happy life. This is the right move. You could go on to argue that the 16 year olds are still going to pretend to be kids to scratch that kink: that's doubtlessly going to happen. It always happens.
Post by purgpurgpurg on Sept 20, 2019 22:32:27 GMT -5
The bitching you're going to hear is from the "other side", the people who think it's insane that the tooth-pulling process of getting anything done in Armageddon was accomplished with one rowdy reddit post. The discussion wasn't had on the GDB: because it would have been unproductive on the GDB. That's the thing with these communities that reject conventional reason. They control the dialogue, they tell themselves that "13 is totally fine for the setting", and they end up looking like fools at a critical external glance.
Post by purgpurgpurg on Sept 21, 2019 1:17:26 GMT -5
Post from the reddit thread. Shaleah pulls all the stops, muddying the waters to discredit Exodus's criticism about pedophile content in Armageddon.
Let's enumerate the tried and true methods that have been used to defend this slop in the past.
"I'm a victim of sexual abuse." A vain ploy at building ethos. Why is this rhetoric being used to defend pedophilia in a MUD?
"I've played the game for 20+ years and never seen this." Unprovable, likely a convenient lie, and meaningless. Regardless it does not negate actual observations. If one person doesn't see it, does it not exist for the others that see it?
"In Armageddon, humans mature at 13 and are fully adults." They're still 13 year old humans; and this point of 'lore' doesn't necessarily excuse the age play 13 year old fetish content.
"Would you be okay with 13 year olds doing drugs, drinking, stealing, and murdering? Why not having sex?" Let's fully degenerate our MUD. The OP likely wasn't okay with any of that.
"Age is just a number!" Where have I heard that one before?
"This is all an attempt to get people to stop playing the game." If you can't defend pedophilia, shoot the messenger in the kneecaps. Valid criticism isn't valid because I say so. (aka delerak's rule)
"You're projecting your own perversions in YOUR mind." As if Shaleah is arguing to give the benefit of the doubt to these age play fetishist characters: she's accusing Exodus of being the true pedophile in one stroke of illogic.
"You didn't report it to the staff. You came here and YOUR depraved mind linked pedophilia to the game." As we have clear evidence of the past decades, staff have not cared. Perhaps playing for 2 months the OP noticed this.
"You're slandering the MUD!" It's not slander if it's true. :-) And like the OP mentioned, it's not slander. It's a legitimate review. It exposed a real, clear problem. It was not slander.
"I won't apologize for trampling over you." Why is Shaleah trampling someone for raising their (justified) revulsion to age play fetishism in Armageddon MUD? What does she have to gain?
If you take a swift look at these ten points, and cruise through the GDB, you will see the same points of rhetoric being used when this issue is brought up in the past. It's all the same tilts using different language. And by controlling the dialogue on the GDB, until now, this has been sufficient in quashing any dissent or disagreement with the enabling of age-play fetishism in Armageddon. We've observed this methodology countless times: a player raises a perfectly legitimate complaint, a person in 'good graces' (either an oldbie, a helper, or a staffer themselves) jumps in with aggressive, flimsy rhetoric: this causes a reaction of disgust from the peanut gallery, as it should. It's rightly disgusting. And then this reaction is used as justification to lock the thread and end the conversation. Bringing up the topic again gets the person chided, "Can't you see how the community isn't mature enough to discuss this topic?"
Also keenly note how this technique doesn't work on external sites like Reddit, where the game's staff can't control the conversation. Also note how raving lunatic Shaleah looked here. The talking point of "Age is just a number!" somehow floats on the GDB; but in an open-air forum, it sounds as terrible as it should. Rightly so. I've captured this exchange because I believe Shaleah is going to wake up in the morning, realize how much she shit the bed, and delete her bloodsport responses here. She should. If I were her, I'd be ashamed.
Think of all this effort invested (wasted) in defending age-play fetishism in a desert sandbox MUD. Why?
Also something to think about. Exodus mentioned she was going to send an informative email to GoDaddy, ArmageddonMUD's web host. GoDaddy is known for strict hosting guidelines, and "proof" of age-play fetishism or pedophilic content being tolerated might be sufficient to deplatform Armageddon for a breach of the terms of service. This might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
It came to pass that things got so bad, people quit playing or got blackmailed into recusing their statements and leaving the forums/deleting their sb accounts in return for keeping their game accounts
qwerty: But again. You cant control it. Cant prove it. The nagging suspicion will ruin your gameplay. I just try not to worry about it and react to the gameworld events as if there is no ooc influence. Doing anything else makes for a really shitty experience
Sept 5, 2019 13:01:26 GMT -5
qwerty: You cant stop people from talking ooc. And if people talk ooc, it's bound to happen that they cooperate ooc. Or ... or not. But you wont know and therefore, you'll suspect. And this suspicion will kill the game for you.
Sept 5, 2019 17:46:21 GMT -5
qwerty: 4/5 times someone rages against staff, staff had nothing to do with it. It's just number one suspicion people go to.
Sept 5, 2019 17:47:19 GMT -5
mehtastic: Ignorance is bliss.
Sept 5, 2019 17:50:44 GMT -5
delerak: I recently accused staff of some nonsense. They showed me the log and I felt embarrassed. It's hard to shake the paranoia of days gone by when you were slayed by staff for going afk and using a script to forage wood.
Sept 5, 2019 18:32:02 GMT -5
jkarr: look east. near: agafari forest. far: agafari forest. very far: the ghost of halaster is here grinning evilly
Sept 5, 2019 22:30:43 GMT -5
mehtastic: I posted it on the Discord server a long time ago, but unfortunately I don't use Discord much anymore. If you can get a Discord invite you can get the code, probably.
Sept 26, 2019 19:33:50 GMT -5
qwerty: ask jcarter. I think he's giving it away
Sept 27, 2019 17:34:42 GMT -5
mehtastic: I am back on Discord. If you want a copy of the code dump, join the shadowboard Discord and ask, or DM me: meh#0490. Feel free to DM if you feel addicted to Armageddon and want help detaching yourself from it, too.
Oct 10, 2019 9:01:42 GMT -5
Oct 20, 2019 3:19:39 GMT -5